Linux 5.10 Didn't Even Last 24 Hours... Linux 5.10.1 Released Due To Bugs

[tildearrow]

So is Linux symantically versioned now?

Always has been.

[Charlie68]

Well Linus doesn't shout at people any more though and that's what matters right ? Certainly not code quality.

The code is written and managed by humans, humans are wrong by nature, whether you have a boss who insults you when you make a mistake or one who kindly makes you understand the mistake, the mistake will always be there.
I understand that it is nice to be behind a keyboard to criticize, but we all make mistakes and the quality of the code has nothing to do with it, especially if you notice it immediately and release the fix. Who does not wait even a day to update the kernel already makes a mistake, even the distributions they release in their repositories should do some QA, it just serves to limit the possibility of errors, which are always possible anyway.

[wswartzendruber]

Always has been.

No. I remember back in the 2.6 days that the third number would increment to add new features. That is not sem-ver.

[boxie]

Always has been.

and it upgrades major versions at will (whenever Linus runs out of fingers and toes). these versions do not have major breaking changes.

In fact, kernel devs go out of their way to always have a working user space

[loganj]

nice start for a LTS

[PCJohn]

Well Linus doesn't shout at people any more though and that's what matters right ? Certainly not code quality.

Your contribution suggest that you believe that shouting on people improves them and their work. I believe that it is far more complicated process. Imagine that I would start to shout on you and you would become the best programmer on the world :-) . Moreover, debugger would be useless tool for you... It is the same with children: we would give them very poor education if we would just shout on them. I guess all of us agree that things are much more complicated.

[microcode]

Yeah, well, I know why I wait for at least .1, at least I already rediff'ed the zstd compress firmware loader patch ;-) https://youtu.be/Np9bKaBzU-E

I feel like this sort of thing didn't much happen when Linus was eating red meat and giving jerks the middle finger.

[jojo7887]

IMO it's not year ~2000 anymore and you don't have to do it by yourself unless you have a good reason.

I used to use prebuilt ones, but compiling it myself allows me to fine tune it to my system as well as remove unnecessary components and adding features (such as fsync). Each build takes around 8mins to compile so it's not a big deal

[Old Grouch]

Your contribution suggest that you believe that shouting on people improves them and their work. I believe that it is far more complicated process. Imagine that I would start to shout on you and you would become the best programmer on the world :-) . Moreover, debugger would be useless tool for you... It is the same with children: we would give them very poor education if we would just shout on them. I guess all of us agree that things are much more complicated.

Well, there's a nice story I heard about this, in the context of flying fighter aircraft.

Apparently a senior instructor in a well known nation's air-force was resistant to improving the teaching methods he used. He cited his long experience that if a pupil flew a poor mission and he shouted at the pupil, the next mission the pupil flew was usually flown better. Conversely, if a pupil flew a good mission and he praised them, the next mission the pupil flew was usually flown worse. From the instructor's point of view, this demonstrated that shouting worked better than praise.
Many people share that view.

Unfortunately, however gifted the instructor was at flying, he knew nothing about statistics and the concept of reverting to the mean.

It turns out there are demonstrably better ways of encouraging the learning process (for people who want to learn) than shouting at people.

Some people, often with armour-plated egos, are so attached to the idea that they can't make mistakes, that shouting is a method that just might get through to them. Self criticism, and the ability to accept that you just might be wrong are important attributes, sometimes. Egotistical sociopaths lack those attributes.

[f0rmat]

Well, there's a nice story I heard about this, in the context of flying fighter aircraft.

Apparently a senior instructor in a well known nation's air-force was resistant to improving the teaching methods he used. He cited his long experience that if a pupil flew a poor mission and he shouted at the pupil, the next mission the pupil flew was usually flown better. Conversely, if a pupil flew a good mission and he praised them, the next mission the pupil flew was usually flown worse. From the instructor's point of view, this demonstrated that shouting worked better than praise.
Many people share that view.

Unfortunately, however gifted the instructor was at flying, he knew nothing about statistics and the concept of reverting to the mean.

It turns out there are demonstrably better ways of encouraging the learning process (for people who want to learn) than shouting at people.

Some people, often with armour-plated egos, are so attached to the idea that they can't make mistakes, that shouting is a method that just might get through to them. Self criticism, and the ability to accept that you just might be wrong are important attributes, sometimes. Egotistical sociopaths lack those attributes.

Excellent point. I have been in the military, taught in high school, worked in the corporate world, and raised four kids. There IS a time and place for shouting, but they should be the exception. Coach, teach, and mentoring is a much better approach.