Raspberry Pi OS Switches To PulseAudio, Updated Chromium

[zoomblab]

...working past whether you mean "viable", or "available", instead of "vailable" (it really doesn't matter)......

"Proposals" or "suggestions" (the adjective "...serious..." is inconsequential; you are serious) such as this surface from time to time, and provide an endless source of amusement and entertainment. They indicate a total lack of understanding as to precisely why Linux is not only stagnating, but continues on its decline--starting about four or five years ago--to more and more mediocrity, with every new "latest and greatest" distro rushed out every six months--because the overwhelming majority of "users" demand it--with more and more bugs (and bugs from the MANY previous versions still not fixed) and regressions, no Q-A and no validation testing, and lack of compatibility with past versions--too many times, sadly, incompatibility with even the previous version. How does the urge to upgrade, knowing that something is almost certain to break, make you feel? BUT...you have the latest, greatest, and biggest! And that is all that matters to most "users" of Linux, and the distro developers which have been forced into this mind-set.

One question only, and we ALL would like a definite, extremely well-thought-out answer--
precisely HOW do you propose forcing all developers to do ANYTHING?

As long as Linux remains a project, a hobby, rather than a product, it will never succeed. Make no mistake; for most people, Linux IS a hobby; for most, simply knowing that one is using the latest, greatest version which the distro developer has been forced to provide is proof enough that they are a highly, technically competent "Linux user". The reality is that most never learned how to really use, to its fullest, Linux, from the the very first distribution which was ever tried. The further reality is that the use of a Chromebook would make imminently more sense for most "Linux users".

With a policy at organization level. A policy is not the same and absolute as the word force I used (since you are picky with my selection of words - and btw English is not my native language so please bear with my mistakes) but it would be close enough. And of course I am aware that such a proposal can not happen, it is a rhetorical or hypothetical thought of mine. In order for Gnome to become and work as it should (i.e., lean and mean on computers with orders of magnitude less resources) its developers should be put into the pain they cause - constantly.

RH could do it. They pay most of them so they call the shots.

[duby229]

Wow - I would hope for better technical knowledge on Phoronix... Chromium uses as much memory as it can to cache webpages and tabs, but works with the OS to free it up as needed by other running programs.

There is more to analysing resource usage than opening Task Manager and looking at the numbers. These days unused RAM is wasted RAM.

Yeah, caching in RAM is important for user experience in some cases. Except most people are on windows where caches get swapped to disk anyways and it just results in thrashing. Chrome is particularly guilty of forcing Windows to thrash. Some amount of available RAM is critical for user experience on Windows.

[JS987]

Wow - I would hope for better technical knowledge on Phoronix... Chromium uses as much memory as it can to cache webpages and tabs, but works with the OS to free it up as needed by other running programs.

There is more to analysing resource usage than opening Task Manager and looking at the numbers. These days unused RAM is wasted RAM.

RAM is also used by kernel which has own caches - Buffers and Cached in /proc/meminfo

[OneTimeShot]

Bloatware like KDE+Chromium would need desktop quad core and 16 GB RAM

Wow - I would hope for better technical knowledge on Phoronix... Chromium uses as much memory as it can to cache webpages and tabs, but works with the OS to free it up as needed by other running programs.

There is more to analysing resource usage than opening Task Manager and looking at the numbers. These days unused RAM is wasted RAM.

[danmcgrew]

It runs at snail speeds. Which tells a lot about Gnome in general. Multicore computers with Ghz clocks and GBs of RAM can not keep up with Gnome bloat.

I have had this thought for a while. A way for Linux to become vailable for mainstream would be to force all freedesktop developers work with a Raspberry computer while also ban any form of terminal so that they would have to think in terms of efficient and user friendly GUI workflows.

...working past whether you mean "viable", or "available", instead of "vailable" (it really doesn't matter)......

"Proposals" or "suggestions" (the adjective "...serious..." is inconsequential; you are serious) such as this surface from time to time, and provide an endless source of amusement and entertainment. They indicate a total lack of understanding as to precisely why Linux is not only stagnating, but continues on its decline--starting about four or five years ago--to more and more mediocrity, with every new "latest and greatest" distro rushed out every six months--because the overwhelming majority of "users" demand it--with more and more bugs (and bugs from the MANY previous versions still not fixed) and regressions, no Q-A and no validation testing, and lack of compatibility with past versions--too many times, sadly, incompatibility with even the previous version. How does the urge to upgrade, knowing that something is almost certain to break, make you feel? BUT...you have the latest, greatest, and biggest! And that is all that matters to most "users" of Linux, and the distro developers which have been forced into this mind-set.

One question only, and we ALL would like a definite, extremely well-thought-out answer--
precisely HOW do you propose forcing all developers to do ANYTHING?

As long as Linux remains a project, a hobby, rather than a product, it will never succeed. Make no mistake; for most people, Linux IS a hobby; for most, simply knowing that one is using the latest, greatest version which the distro developer has been forced to provide is proof enough that they are a highly, technically competent "Linux user". The reality is that most never learned how to really use, to its fullest, Linux, from the the very first distribution which was ever tried. The further reality is that the use of a Chromebook would make imminently more sense for most "Linux users".

[duby229]

Just a note that if your audio is really quiet after the upgrade, yet everything seems maxed out in the UI, speakers, etc, because alsa is still there in the background, its old volume setting is still applied, and then the new pulseaudio volume is applied on top of that.

Run alsamixer in terminal, select your audio output, and adjust the slider upwards, I did 80%, 100% is likely fine, maybe better thinking about it.

Actually, I think it depends on the audio chipset, some of them have sound distortions or crackling when their hardware volume is set to maximum. I've had this problem on some realtek chipsets, but not on a cmedia chipset. Best thing to try is listen to it, play some sounds, make a judgment call on the volume you set.

[duby229]

I haven't upgraded yet, but I just set HDMI and Analog to 100% ahead of the upgrade.

It depends on the audio chipset, some sound crackly or even distorted when their PCM volume is set to 100%. It kinda sounds the same as if you cranked a software pre-amp too high. You should actually play around with it and then set it to the highest volume that sounds right to your ears. I've had this problem on some realtek chipsets, but not on a cmedia chipset. I believe it's a hardware limitation.

[jaxa]

Bloatware like KDE+Chromium would need desktop quad core and 16 GB RAM

Supposedly, Chromium CPU and RAM usage is about to go down.

[JackLilhammers]

Bloatware like KDE+Chromium would need desktop quad core and 16 GB RAM

FYI Chromium is already the default browser and it runs pretty well.
Tearing issues aside, of course, but those depend on the gpu driver

[GaryTheGravelGuy]

getting it to run 20 year old software such as Unreal or Half-Life takes some serious doing. Doom3 is only possible because it can be compiled from source.

Is Box86 too hard to use?