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Looking at individual Fortran benchmarks on OpenBenchmark, I find some things I am really curious about;-( For example, for scimark2, 3700X 8-core posts a score of 1160 (ahead of 3900X 12-core's 1126), and way ahead of 5959X and 5900X (with 886 and 872, respectively); it's also worse than AMD 2700's 994.
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Originally posted by drakonas777 View PostI see that outrage regarding ZEN3 not being given for free still continues LOL. Also it's hilarious to witness how random internet chads argue with AMD representative on what actually was going on at AMD in 2007, cause you know, reddit knowns better basically
Comparing current price of the last gen with new gen is also effing genius logic, because last gen totally did not loose lika a 30% price since it's launched
But, seriuosly, we must talk about entry price for a "class" of the product. You see 5600x is same class as 1600, and 1600 cost shit now, su there is a massive value regression here, AMD is bad LOL
Rocket Lake won't have 10C model, ergo no 10C "class". I'll be waiting for insights how RL value is infinitely worse than CL, cause no such class, ergo 0 LOL
If anything AMD really outdid themselves on pricing.
I can't think of a better time to start picking up on learning blender as I have been lately. Exciting times in computing.Last edited by creative; 07 November 2020, 11:05 AM.
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I see that outrage regarding ZEN3 not being given for free still continues LOL. Also it's hilarious to witness how random internet chads argue with AMD representative on what actually was going on at AMD in 2007, cause you know, reddit knowns better basically
Comparing current price of the last gen with new gen is also effing genius logic, because last gen totally did not loose lika a 30% price since it's launched
But, seriuosly, we must talk about entry price for a "class" of the product. You see 5600x is same class as 1600, and 1600 cost shit now, su there is a massive value regression here, AMD is bad LOL
Rocket Lake won't have 10C model, ergo no 10C "class". I'll be waiting for insights how RL value is infinitely worse than CL, cause no such class, ergo 0 LOL
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Originally posted by Teggs View Post
If that slide isn't being used as a cautionary marketing tale in college instruction, it should be.
In any case, AMD's engineers made a hell of an achievement. In fact, Intel aren't the only ones who are going to look bad. Apple's ARM-based Macintosh offerings were going to be disappointing already, now they are probably going to look like garbage. The 'x86 is dead because Apple/Nvidia/ARM!' crowd is going to have to wait a while.
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Availability grrr... Was very ready to get a 5900X but none are available at MSRP. That being said, I still have the great 3600 place holder until I can get one. Big reason I settled on the 3600, $175 was all I was willing to spend cause I knew something was going to be worth waiting for.Last edited by creative; 07 November 2020, 11:06 AM.
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Originally posted by pmorph View Post
So... by that value assessment, you expect almost no one to buy a 5600X?
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Originally posted by Marco-GG View PostI really fail to see why so many people keeps trying to imply that this CPUs are bad with this price increase when they deliver a better performance than their Intel counterparts and AMD previous gen in the same price segment.
I don't say the 5000 series CPUs are bad, I just say that the 5600X (which matters the most because of sales volume, the market for high-end CPUs is rather limited) has got terrible value in comparison to the 3600 (X) now. And you fall for the fallacy to compare it with an absurdly priced product to begin with. You could also argue with your parents that a D which you've got in math today is not a bad grade after all because your friend got an F.
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Originally posted by ms178 View Post
The 3600 also has an unlocked multiplier and can be clocked to the same levels. There are no TDP restrictions with Ryzen, the stock clocks don't matter for tech savvy users like me and with Ryzen overclocking is childs play and not voodoo art, if you don't use that capability you probably won't even notice a difference in games between these CPUs anyway, so why pay more if you can get away with less?
You picture my calculations as somewhat artificial, but they only reflect situation a potential buyer faces today (and I made it clear that the situation could look different in a month or two, I assume people know that street prices change all the time). And in my calculation I was using the MSRP for the 5600X to reflect that street prices for the 5600X are off by a fair amount due to the demand/lack of supply, but that means that the numbers are even worse in reality today (as long as the supply/demand situation isn't smoothed out which can take at least two more months, we don't know yet). And there are people who buy these CPUs right now at launch, so this isn't some artificial scenario I came up with here. My point still stands: In comparison to the 3600 (and even the X-part) the new 5600X is terrible value. These numbers don't lie, this is not an opinion, this is a fact. If you still want to pay the price for getting the absolute best, go for it. But a lot of people can get by with the older parts and enjoy a better value.
I perfectly agree that the 5600X may not be the best worth CPU nowadays because the price/performance ratio of 3600 is better, but that thing happens quite often when new products with new features come in the market. I'm looking in particular for gaming performance results, which are going to get a boost from Zen3 architecture and they may be worthwhile for gamers. Indeed a savvy user would opt for a 3600 if best price/performance is the goal.
AMD just wants to monetize the new architecture and enthusiasts are going to pay the extra price for the feeling to have something new, also the extra price will keep away savvy users that will opt for the older architecture emptying warehouses thus making room for the newcomers. I don't say that you're not right, I just say that there is a perfectly reasoned rationale behind that pricepoint
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Originally posted by treba View PostNow I'm really exited now to see what they will offer on mobile. The 4800H is already incredibly powerful - but if this uplift applies in similar fashion for the 6800H(?), that should finally justify an upgrade from my i5-6440HQ, assuming it would cut compile times considerably.
1. No thunderbolt
2. Laptop manufacturers had exclusivity agreements with Intel (i.,e. project ultrabook, project athena) in order to design their laptops. Intel provided RnD/engineering experience on how to construct the laptop but this meant that the manufacturer had to use an Intel CPU.
I think its gonna take a good couple of years before seeing decent range of AMD based laptops. Without thunderbolt I am also not personally getting an AMD laptop.
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