Linux 5.9-rc6 Released With Soft Scrollback Removed, Performance Regression Fixed

[uid313]

So what's happening next?
They're merging a new improved soft scrollback? Or they removing this and nothing more happens, or they remove this and further removes other console-related stuff too? Maybe remove the whole console from the kernel?

Are there any plans for the console in the kernel?
I kind of would like 4K, good fonts, True Color support, but I am not sure a console belongs in the kernel. Maybe a Wayland compositor that provides a full screen console.

[uid313]

You wouldn't have that problem if you ran Linux on a VM or via WSL like all the cool kids. Luckily Windows is rock solid so I can scroll my command prompt when the kernel crashes.

That's a joke.

I don't think it is a joke. I think Windows 10 is rock solid, and it is a better, more stable, faster and technically superior to Linux. I've had more reliability issues with Linux than I have had with Windows. The reason I use Linux is because it is open source.

[microcode]

Scrolling on Linux console and many terminal emulators: Shift-PageUp/PageDown = 2 keystrokes:
- hold Shift
- press PageUp/PageDown

Quit with any key.

Scrolling on tmux: Ctrl-B, PageUp/PageDown = 3 keystrokes:
- hold Ctrl
- press B (and release Ctrl)
- press PageUp/PageDown

Quit with Ctrl-C.

And what if I don't want the green bar at the bottom?

Furthermore how can I tell the kernel to redirect all its output to tmux and launch tmux at boot?
Otherwise how else am I supposed to scroll through kernel/systemd messages in case something goes wrong? .-.

You can bind those in tmux if you want.

As for kernel/init messages, what are you even going to do? If you bail out of init, you can use the journal from the shell there, which has paging and search too.

Green bar at the bottom can be disabled with set -g status off, which you can add to the conf.

[skeevy420]

I don't think it is a joke. I think Windows 10 is rock solid, and it is a better, more stable, faster and technically superior to Linux. I've had more reliability issues with Linux than I have had with Windows. The reason I use Linux is because it is open source.

For me it's a mixed experience with both operating systems. I've been experiencing some crappy GPU related bugs on Windows 10, the entirety of Windows 10 mind you, that I don't experience on Linux (same system dual booting). Like, after waking my display up from being suspended it'll start blanking on and off until I do a full power cycle of the monitor. I'm not sure what the cause is and I've tried multiple HDMI cables and it happens like clockwork every time the screen suspends, but only on Windows. The other day, as in last Tuesday, that happened and when my display came back up it was at 800x600 and running the generic VGA driver. WTF!?!? I had to clean uninstall and reinstall my GPU driver twice in a row to fix that. That issue effected my previous R7 260x and my current RX 580. It is so freaking annoying.

I think Linux is the technically superior system in regards to user control, user freedoms, and overall system manipulation. Unix Porn vs Windows Screenshots. Unix Porn Clearly Wins.

Faster depends on one's workload...and we both know that's the case because we've all see the same benchmarks here...at least I hope we get the same ones . I hope Michael isn't pulling any Facebook and Google shenanigans and giving us different results based on our geographical location and how many conspiracy theorists are in our area . Stability is another mixed bag because a Linux gamer will have a less stable experience than a Linux dev sticking to an IDE and a handful of programs or a server admin not even running a GUI. Better is subjective and each is better than the other at specific tasks.

[pal666]

Why the hell would I want to use something this overcomplicated if I could just press shift+Page Up/Down... I will rather use the good old GNU Screen.

i don't know about you, i just press shift+page up/down in tmux(it support redefining keybindings). screen is old, but not good

[pal666]

Scrolling on Linux console and many terminal emulators: Shift-PageUp/PageDown = 2 keystrokes:
- hold Shift
- press PageUp/PageDown

Quit with any key.

Scrolling on tmux: Ctrl-B, PageUp/PageDown = 3 keystrokes:
- hold Ctrl
- press B (and release Ctrl)
- press PageUp/PageDown

Quit with Ctrl-C.

you can define same keys to work in tmux as in linux console. what i get from your post is "documentation is hard to read"

And what if I don't want the green bar at the bottom?

status bar has green color and is enabled by default. you can change its color or disable it. and what if i want to search something in screen buffer?

[pal666]

Are there any plans for the console in the kernel?

i don't know. are you going to write code? code will certainly not write itself

[pal666]

I don't think it is a joke. I think Windows 10 is rock solid, and it is a better, more stable, faster and technically superior to Linux. I've had more reliability issues with Linux than I have had with Windows. The reason I use Linux is because it is open source.

my linux is stable. maybe you are using linux because you like to break it?

[tildearrow]

As for kernel/init messages, what are you even going to do? If you bail out of init, you can use the journal from the shell there, which has paging and search too.

What about I get stuck during the boot process and cannot get any further? (cannot even see journal)

If I scroll up then there might be a chance I could see the problem.

[uid313]

i don't know. are you going to write code? code will certainly not write itself

I am not a smart guy, so I cannot code in things like C. I can only do simple things like JavaScript and Python.