Google Opens Patches For "METRICFS" That They Have Used Since 2012 For Telemetry Data

[starshipeleven]

I.e: Google wants to upstream their private work, trying to shoehorn it as a standard because it exists for longer, reduce their own burden to maintain it instead of allowing an open from beginning code from RH becoming the standard and Google would have to deal with their legacy 😒

FYI, all code that is upstreamed was once private.

[starshipeleven]

Not that I care anyway. Google can go ahead and collect my data, as long as it doesn't make my life worse.

Yeah, you have nothing to hide.

It's not like the info they collect can be used in bad ways or read wrong, causing you issues.

[CochainComplex]

Yeah, you have nothing to hide.

to "The nothing to hide"-folks:

I'm sure insurance companies, banks etc like your casual photos of you with your friends having some drinks and unhealthy food. once they spot such a pic each day it is becoming information of value. ..
"computer says":
.to 54.7% you have an alcohol issue ...or you will develop one in 5years with a 70% chances
...oh you want to buy a house and you need a loan with that profile? sure how about 500k with 20%p.a.?

Isn't there already a algorithm calculating the amount of car insurance fee by the visual appearance of your neighborhood (google maps based) ? this

This assumptions are "ok" - morally very questionable especially if we will have to hide our self in the future to not been seen with the "wrong" rated people and not eating chips and rather pushing ourselfs each evening to do some workout so that our fitibit profile pleases our health insurance company ....sure I don't have to have a fitbit device but then my insurance will cost 30% more - freedom of choice.

What if some of your daily behaviours can be scientifically linked in a causal manner to a certain risk for your employer, health insurance, loan credibility.

I recommend you to watch black mirror.....some become already true at least in china. this

But yes If you will conduct to all the recommendations of the apps and data crawler you are going to have a beautiful life.

[schmidtbag]

Yeah, you have nothing to hide.

It's not like the info they collect can be used in bad ways or read wrong, causing you issues.

What is 1 good reason they would do that? They don't have my contact, bank, or government-level info. I don't store anything I remotely care about on any of their services, except my contacts and bookmarks (since that makes syncing them easy). So what are they going to do to me that's so bad in a way they will gain from it? I know you like to think otherwise, but I'm not special, and neither are you. They're not going to single me out in a way that matters, and if they sell my search data to a company, why should I care? If I'm going to get pummeled with ads, I might as well have them they be targeted (especially since that might incentivize me to look for less irritating competitors).

People like you don't seem to put any thought into what you're afraid of, which makes sense - fear is often driven by the unknown. I obey the law, I keep important things offline and secured, and I couldn't care less if someone wants to tap into my webcam and watch me fap. So really, honestly, why should I care about what they collect from me?

[schmidtbag]

to "The nothing to hide"-folks:

I'm sure insurance companies, banks etc like your casual photos of you with your friends having some drinks and unhealthy food. once they spot such a pic each day it is becoming information of value. ..

First of all, in some countries, that's illegal. Second, good luck to them finding my personal cloud server. Even if they did, I'm not vain enough to take selfies everywhere I go.

...oh you want to buy a house and you need a loan with that profile? sure how about 500k with 20%p.a.?

I already own a house and don't plan to get another one any time soon, so I'm all set there.

Isn't there already a algorithm calculating the amount of car insurance fee by the visual appearance of your neighborhood (google maps based) ?

Yup and my insurance dropped by over $30/mo because of where I moved to.

This assumptions are "ok" - morally very questionable especially if we will have to hide our self in the future to not been seen with the "wrong" rated people and not eating chips and rather pushing ourselfs each evening to do some workout so that our fitibit profile pleases our health insurance company ....sure I don't have to have a fitbit device but then my insurance will cost 30% more - freedom of choice.

It doesn't take a fitbit to know if you're fit. If you're that concerned about your weight affecting your insurance policy, you need a major lifestyle change.

What if some of your daily behaviours can be scientifically linked in a causal manner to a certain risk for your employer, health insurance, loan credibility.

Pretty sure that's not legal where I'm from.

I recommend you to watch black mirror.....some become already true at least in china. this

I don't live in China and most western countries would heavily resist such a thing.

[starshipeleven]

If I'm going to get pummeled with ads

yes, pummel me daddy.

So what are they going to do to me that's so bad in a way they will gain from it?

I wasn't clear. I said that the data can be misread, and you can get screwed with no gain for anyone.

Like the children that end in no-fly-lists for USA as potential terrorists, or black people that routinely get mis-identified by AI image recognition software that apparently is trained only on white people.

People like you don't seem to put any thought into what you're afraid of

Lol, I work in IT and I have a very basic programming background, so I know and I have seen this happening enough times. People trust software waaay too much, and this keeps leading to grievous mistakes.

Somehow a computer is more trustworthy than a person, and we forget that the computer is executing instructions written by the person, or is an AI and is therefore thinking on its own based on its own experience/training, like a person.

[starshipeleven]

First of all, in some countries, that's illegal.

This never stopped anyone. Currently the latest trend is repackaging the the data from breaches and selling the aggregated data to anyone that wants such information.

Since it's "anonymous" it's ok, but is it really anonymous if it is a credit card transaction history, or has payment information?

[schmidtbag]

I wasn't clear. I said that the data can be misread, and you can get screwed with no gain for anyone.

Misread by what, who, and how? I only asked for 1 scenario - shouldn't be that hard to come up with something more specific.

Like the children that end in no-fly-lists for USA as potential terrorists, or black people that routinely get mis-identified by AI image recognition software that apparently is trained only on white people.

Yes, I get that errors can happen, but what of Google's services are going to cause me a significant issue? Worst-case scenario, I get flagged for something I didn't do on Youtube.

Somehow a computer is more trustworthy than a person, and we forget that the computer is executing instructions written by the person, or is an AI and is therefore thinking on its own based on its own experience/training, like a person.

Objectively, a computer is, without a doubt, more trustworthy than a person. A computer has no incentives. A computer has an extremely slim chance of making an irreproducible mistake. Yes, software is only as reliable/trustworthy as the programmers made it out to be but no matter how flawed the programmers are, they can make the software better than themselves.
I'm not aware of any AI of Google's that I depend on.

This never stopped anyone. Currently the latest trend is repackaging the the data from breaches and selling the aggregated data to anyone that wants such information.

Uh... yes it has. There have been multiple occasions of lawsuits because of this.

Since it's "anonymous" it's ok, but is it really anonymous if it is a credit card transaction history, or has payment information?

Credit card transaction histories don't tell you what you bought, they just tell you what store you bought from, how much, and when. But for argument's sake, let's say it did track what you bought (or, let's say the store itself was giving away your purchase info). Ever heard of using cash? You might then argue "what if it's an online purchase?" but if you're really that concerned about someone tracking your purchase history, buy a gift card, create another account, and then ship it somewhere that's not your home. Personally, I don't bother with any of that because I don't care if someone sees my purchase history either. I don't buy things I'm ashamed or afraid to have other people know about. That doesn't mean I am willingly going to give away all my info, but if someone starts collecting it, well, I guess they're going to be pretty bored.

[skeevy420]

yes, pummel me daddy.

I wasn't clear. I said that the data can be misread, and you can get screwed with no gain for anyone.

Like the children that end in no-fly-lists for USA as potential terrorists, or black people that routinely get mis-identified by AI image recognition software that apparently is trained only on white people.


Lol, I work in IT and I have a very basic programming background, so I know and I have seen this happening enough times. People trust software waaay too much, and this keeps leading to grievous mistakes.

Somehow a computer is more trustworthy than a person, and we forget that the computer is executing instructions written by the person, or is an AI and is therefore thinking on its own based on its own experience/training, like a person.

Just gotta say that apparently Chinese-based AI has a harder time with white people and black people when compared to Asians/Chinese people. Who'd a thunk it that a product made by primarily white people in a country that's 75% white with a large assortment of white datasets targets white people well and a product made by Chinese people with a large assortment of Chinese datasets targets Chinese people well?

On your last sentence -- The AI got its parameters to gather its experience/training from a person....that is unless you can prove it to me that kittens or the reptile people are behind AI programming....

[tuxd3v]

Yeah, you have nothing to hide.
It's not like the info they collect can be used in bad ways or read wrong, causing you issues.

I have a lot to hide!
My personal stuff includes my metrics!