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  • arokh
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    Originally posted by aht0 View Post
    I've never claimed to be even working in IT. I've learned it, worked in it briefly, got drafted, then remained in military after compulsory service.
    I wasn't talking about you.

    On the other hand. When you have knowledge of something or interest in something, you generally come front with it at some point of time - it's reasonable assumption, and express your opinions or share your experience about subject matter.
    You obviously have no idea what a "reasonable assumption" is, for example you make yet another assumption that I have any interest in it. AIX was one of several Unix platforms (like IRIX and OpenUNIX) that I maintained for my previous employer.

    You won't find a single post from me on any other topic either in here that's not related to the news section either. That means I have no interests then? It's clear that your "reasonable assumptions" are just yourself imagining things that support your case.

    Especially if that "something" is pretty niche and it might be interesting for others, if for no other reasons than perspective. AIX is something like this, fairly few have had close interaction with that animal. It's expensive and niche.
    Personally I thought it was complete and utter crap, something you surely would agree with if you ever had to use SMIT. In that moment you would probably turn into a systemd lover.

    tuxd3v has shared his experiences and opinions about it more than one time, you haven't at all. If you had real working experience with it, you'd had done same, if not for any other reason, to stand out. All you have done is to bash in general terms and claim bs.
    Why on earth would I, this is a thread about a new systemd version? Nobody cares about his experience with AIX, he was asked to back up his claims about systemd which he hasn't! Based on what he's posted, the only limitation of systemd in regards to his scripts is his own incompetence. That sums up every anti-systemd degenerate on here, just like yourself.

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  • aht0
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    Originally posted by arokh View Post
    Sounds like you're living in some kind of alternate reality where Phoronix post history = professional resume. In any case you are free to believe whatever you want, like a "20+ year professional" that can't convert a shell script with variables into a systemd unit.
    I've never claimed to be even working in IT. I've learned it, worked in it briefly, got drafted, then remained in military after compulsory service.

    On the other hand. When you have knowledge of something or interest in something, you generally come front with it at some point of time - it's reasonable assumption, and express your opinions or share your experience about subject matter. Especially if that "something" is pretty niche and it might be interesting for others, if for no other reasons than perspective. AIX is something like this, fairly few have had close interaction with that animal. It's expensive and niche. tuxd3v has shared his experiences and opinions about it more than one time, you haven't at all. If you had real working experience with it, you'd had done same, if not for any other reason, to stand out. All you have done is to bash in general terms and claim bs.

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  • Ape22
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    I want to use it for ubuntu. If they'd keep waiting for those they'd never get a release out of the door.

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  • arokh
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    Originally posted by aht0 View Post
    I'd say your claim about having lots of experience with AIX just got proven false. If you had any particular expertise, you'd have written SOMETHING about it in at some point in time, in some or other topic.
    Sounds like you're living in some kind of alternate reality where Phoronix post history = professional resume. In any case you are free to believe whatever you want, like a "20+ year professional" that can't convert a shell script with variables into a systemd unit.

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  • aht0
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    Originally posted by arokh View Post
    aht0

    I've plenty of AIX experience and I assure you nothing what he said made any sense. There really is a complete lack of arguments, systemd does everything he needs it to as far as I can tell.
    Really?
    https://www.phoronix.com/forums/sear...%7D&btnSubmit=
    Nothing pops up doing Advanced search in Phoronix forum posts about AIX between Jan 1st 2-16 and today searching against your username.. Zip. Nada. Zero.

    While searching tuxd3v posts about AIX on equal conditions pops up plenty.
    https://www.phoronix.com/forums/sear...%7D&btnSubmit=

    I'd say your claim about having lots of experience with AIX just got proven false. If you had any particular expertise, you'd have written SOMETHING about it in at some point in time, in some or other topic.
    Last edited by aht0; 03-16-2020, 05:57 PM.

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  • arokh
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    aht0

    I've plenty of AIX experience and I assure you nothing what he said made any sense. There really is a complete lack of arguments, systemd does everything he needs it to as far as I can tell.

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  • aht0
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    Originally posted by arokh View Post
    Let's sum up tuxd3v's arguments against systemd:

    - Can't migrate his scripts due to variables
    - Not tailored to big/complex installations on data-center
    - He sees systemd as "a toy, and I need stability/uptime"
    - Systemd is "hiding behind a tool, to obfuscate the lack of knowledge about shell scripting"

    Did I miss anything? Right, so let's get back to making fun of his professional career. Like he has 20+ years of experience and reports directly to the "Director Board of the Company" I think it's safe to say at this point that this director is actually his mom.
    He certainly seems to have rather rich mother, buying his boy enterprise servers to play with.. /sarcasm
    I voluntarily admit I have no clue how to acquire personal machine running AIX. His mother obviously does. Or he is actually working with such machines? Because I don't think you can pull this shit out of just google query, you have to have some basic hands-on experience.
    https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...e4#post1127298

    arokh, maybe try to control your personal insults? So his opinion does not align with yours? poor you.
    Last edited by aht0; 03-13-2020, 10:57 PM.

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  • arokh
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    Let's sum up tuxd3v's arguments against systemd:

    - Can't migrate his scripts due to variables
    - Not tailored to big/complex installations on data-center
    - He sees systemd as "a toy, and I need stability/uptime"
    - Systemd is "hiding behind a tool, to obfuscate the lack of knowledge about shell scripting"

    Did I miss anything? Right, so let's get back to making fun of his professional career. Like he has 20+ years of experience and reports directly to the "Director Board of the Company" I think it's safe to say at this point that this director is actually his mom.

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  • tuxd3v
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    Originally posted by arokh View Post
    Like I said, he should retire. If I hired this guy and found out later he couldn't migrate a script to systemd, I would fire him and consider reporting him to the police for lying on his resume.
    (...)
    My favorite line. The only facts that can be deduced here is that he doesn't know what a fact is and has never been to a data center.
    You conversation...is trash talk!
    That excuses you use above are personal attacks, and just reiterate that they are a tool of mass indoctrination by force, but that doesn't work with me..

    If you ever hire me, which I would doubt( thanks god),
    You would do it to do the things correctly, because its the way I feel we should do.
    And I would never migrate crucial services from SysVInit to systemd, because I look to systemd and I see a toy, and I need stability/uptime coherence..
    To use products that are monsters and so much parameterized that we don't control everything, no thanks!

    Hiding behind a tool, to obfuscate the lack of knowledge about shell scripting, is not an option to me, I'm a sysadmin sorry if this hurts anybody feelings, but shell scripting, plus C language are the base foundations of any Linux SysAdmin..
    Or you are really a sysadmin, or you don't!

    The most probable would be, me... not hiring you!
    Probably I would include some C tasks, and maybe a task in language that you understand( Python,Lua,Perl.. )
    On the interview the first thing I would do would be to putting you at test, carefully chosen tasks in different shells( at least dash/bash/csh/ksh ), I bet you would fail!

    So I wouldn't even need to fire you..

    Probably because you don't have sufficient knowledge about the system language( yes shell script ash/dash/bash/csh/ksh ), the ones you need to operate a Linux server..

    And usually I report directly to the Director Board of the Company, to probably I wouldn't even need to deal with people like you..

    But for me, this conversation thread is over, it passed from a discussion to personal attacks long ago, low tricks, and others...
    So better to terminate this discussion..
    Last edited by tuxd3v; 03-12-2020, 12:54 PM.

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  • tuxd3v
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    Originally posted by arokh View Post
    I totally understand that you want to end discussions, especially considering it's becoming blatantly obvious that you actually have zero experience or knowledge about the product.
    Don't use the usual systemd group excuses again, or your own experience, to evaluate others..
    That type if tricks are very low!

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