Systemd 245 RC2 Released With Systemd-Homed, Partitioner + More

[deusexmachina]

I appreciate that you're so upfront about having nothing meaningful to say. Hopefully, next time, you'll take it a step further and not post anything to begin with.

Thanks for reminding me how triggering the truth is!

[skeevy420]

Thanks for reminding me how triggering the truth is!

What truth? You made the incorrect assumption that myself and other systemd users are all left leaning.

You realize that wanting order and standards is more right leaning and that do whatever cause you're free is left leaning. So using that logic, systemd is inherently right leaning because it wants to impose order and standards on how the system is controlled and that my suggestion is to add more order and standards on top of what systemd already offers means we got us some right on right action going on.

I cain't be anymore right if it's right on right.

...until ferry's GUI shows up and brings right on right on right

[deusexmachina]

What truth? You made the incorrect assumption that myself and other systemd users are all left leaning.

You realize that wanting order and standards is more right leaning and that do whatever cause you're free is left leaning. So using that logic, systemd is inherently right leaning because it wants to impose order and standards on how the system is controlled and that my suggestion is to add more order and standards on top of what systemd already offers means we got us some right on right action going on.

I cain't be anymore right if it's right on right.

...until ferry's GUI shows up and brings right on right on right

I wasn't planning on replying to you because you claimed to be more on the right and then described things that are not so right leaning. However, I like where you're going with this:
"SystemD is inherently right leaning..."

I would say SystemD is a leftist movement because it is fabricating a new order - without evidence that it really does cause "order" in the long term. The Unix philosophy, which has maintained some level of order, is the main thing that I see systemD as violating. Because systemD was written more recently, I'm open to the idea that is has some more advanced feature planning. However, it is at odds with an older order.

[jacob]

Gosh, the VUA snowflakes have checked in big time in this thread...

[k1e0x]

Fuck those people. They can use Devuan or Void and deal with their collection of utilities.

The rest of us in the real world want a cohesive and easy to use system to manage our system. Having to "ls /usr/bin/*ctl" to find out what is available sucks ass and is neither cohesive nor easy to use because KDE stuff like balooctl shows up.

Wait wait... I'm just reading this jaw dropped. Uh... just because a command ends in ctl doesn't mean it has anything to do with systemd.

# macOS
/bin/launchctl <- ironic
/sbin/pfctl
/usr/bin/brctl
/usr/bin/asctl
/usr/bin/rvictl
/usr/bin/ncctl
/usr/libexec/remotectl
/usr/sbin/wfsctl
/usr/sbin/sysadminctl
/usr/sbin/dnctl
/usr/sbin/xsanctl
/usr/sbin/sysctl
/usr/sbin/cupsctl
/usr/sbin/skywalkctl
/usr/sbin/spctl
/usr/sbin/ckksctl
/usr/sbin/apachectl
/usr/local/bin/zsysctl

# FreeBSD
/sbin/swapctl
/sbin/bectl
/sbin/pfctl
/sbin/sysctl
/sbin/hastctl
/usr/bin/rctl
/usr/bin/usbhidctl
/usr/bin/iscsictl
/usr/sbin/ngctl
/usr/sbin/gpioctl
/usr/sbin/rtadvctl
/usr/sbin/iovctl
/usr/sbin/bhyvectl
/usr/sbin/binmiscctl
/usr/sbin/extattrctl
/usr/sbin/zonectl
/usr/sbin/flowctl
/usr/sbin/ip6addrctl
/usr/sbin/pppctl
/usr/sbin/manctl
/usr/sbin/devctl
/usr/sbin/uhsoctl
/usr/sbin/blacklistctl

Linux has a bunch unrelated to systemd too.. I think this is not a good way to go about association for you. Maybe you could read the systemd documentation to find out what it's (terrible syntax) commands are. The reason you have this problem is because they are bad and un re-memorable. Linux doesn't really use good nomenclature when naming things anymore. (ex "systemd" or "ip") If I had to guess as to why it's due to corporate culture at RedHat and everyone else not caring enough to give their projects descriptive names. (or code created by corporate committee) Yes, it matters for users. It's also important to keep things consistent with other unixices but that is something Linux does not seam to care about anymore either. Your last problem is the distro is installing KDE into /usr/bin instead of /usr/local/bin, old problem.. but.. : shrug : that's one of the reasons why ppl use /usr/local, like it or hate it.

As as far as people who don't like systemd.. we did leave linux because of it 10 years ago. Fuck you back.
(I mean that as a joke, I like you personally)

[archsway]

IMHO, what I'm suggesting isn't that far off from what other programs offer. Git commands are all done with git -- git push, git pull, git switch, git branch. I can call help on all of those and the main git. When I create and containers with toolbox I use toolbox enter, toolbox create. Wanting all the systemd tools to be able to be used by a singular command structure is only logical.

Plus it's not like I'm suggesting removing all the old ones...more like a script that tries to use "foobarctl" if you type in "systemd foobar" and says "I can't do that, Dave. You need to apt install systemd-foobar to use the systemd foobar command." if whatever systemd command you try to use isn't installed.

git already does it this way, except it looks in /usr/lib*/git-core/git-$1 instead of appending ctl.

You can try this yourself (change /usr/lib to /usr/lib64 or /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-whatever as needed):

$ echo echo Hello | sudo tee /usr/lib/git-core/git-foo
$ sudo chmod +x /usr/lib/git-core/git-foo
$ git foo
Hello

[Henning]

You could use some bash-magic to get all files that
a) link to the shared systemd library

for f in `find /usr/bin -type f`; do file $f | grep -q ELF && objdump -p $f | grep -q NEEDED.*libsystemd && echo $f; done

or
b) show "RUNPATH /lib/systemd" in objdump

for f in `find /usr/bin -type f`; do file $f | grep -q ELF && objdump -p $f | grep -q RUNPATH.*/lib/systemd && echo $f; done


The idea:
find all real files in a directory, use "file" to identify ELF binaries, use objdump to identify the used library or the runpath.

[Shiba]

Mr 420, eh? I'm starting to wonder how many of the pro systemd people are lefties...

This makes no sense, systemd is fascism...

[deusexmachina]

This makes no sense, systemd is fascism...

What makes no sense is teaching children that there's a scale from "left to right" and at the extremes of the scale are "bad" and that you want to be near the middle... "Nazi" (that everyone seems to think of as 'fascist' aka 'opposite of communist') even stands for National Socialism.
In our case here it doesn't matter... Analogize with either - because either would have the power to overthrow the previous standard (Unix philosophy) for a new monolithic standard (systemd).

[royce]

Mr 420, eh? I'm starting to wonder how many of the pro systemd people are lefties... All of them?

excuse me, what

"Nazi" (that everyone seems to think of as 'fascist' aka 'opposite of communist') even stands for National Socialism.

You must have skipped school altogether.