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  • #41
    Just by seeing how some people here consider the Google developer to "showed himself a fool", or that he "sucks", or that he "was talking mostly out of his rear", or even making a general affirmation that "Google is becoming pathetic". This explains why words are important. If Linus would have been less rude, maybe you lot would have been less rude too.

    This, to me, is the exact definition of a toxic community.

    I know other open source communities where you can be told you're wrong without telling you you're stupid.

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    • #42
      Games have shoddy code quality? You don't say.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by pal666 View Post
        he is porting rage 2 to stadia, so why not define context as rage 2?
        Because you basically wrote "He's not a credible source because, in talking about porting to a platform that's capped to 60Hz, he doesn't acknowledge the existence of my 240Hz monitor"?

        Whoop-de-doo. He didn't talk about the latency requirements for head-tracking without motion sickness in a platform with no VR HMD peripheral either. It's assumed that readers won't be stupid/trollish enough to need every second sentence to be qualified with a reminder that stuff irrelevant to the task at hand will be ignored.
        Last edited by ssokolow; 01-05-2020, 04:44 PM.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by ssokolow View Post
          Because you basically wrote "He's not a credible source because, in talking about porting to a platform that's capped to 60Hz, he doesn't acknowledge the existence of my 240Hz monitor"?
          no, i didn't write that. he was talking about "in a videogame", not "on stadia". he is the developer of locking in this game and it was developed for different platform. and btw, stadia isn't capped at 60hz, only current version is, they have plans for 120 hz. i wonder who is going to rewrite games for that
          Originally posted by ssokolow View Post
          Whoop-de-doo. He didn't talk about the latency requirements for head-tracking without motion
          he constrained usecases to "works on my monitor", so no surprises he does locking which only works on his benchmark
          Last edited by pal666; 01-05-2020, 04:57 PM.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by pal666 View Post
            no, i didn't write that. he was talking about "in a videogame", not "on stadia". he is the developer of locking in this game and it was developed for different platform
            he constrained usecases to "works on my monitor", so no surprises he does locking which only works on his benchmark
            OK, fair point.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Creak View Post
              Just by seeing how some people here consider the Google developer to "showed himself a fool", or that he "sucks", or that he "was talking mostly out of his rear", or even making a general affirmation that "Google is becoming pathetic". This explains why words are important. If Linus would have been less rude, maybe you lot would have been less rude too.

              This, to me, is the exact definition of a toxic community.

              I know other open source communities where you can be told you're wrong without telling you you're stupid.
              I disagree. The reason why Torvalds and most people are pissed at this guy is because he made time to make his completely wrong and toxic opinion into a blog post. It then got blown out of proportion and I'm willing to bet more than 50% of people who read it are still misinformed thinking "linux scheduling sucks" now.

              This is almost a libel-level article, because it's completely wrong. The fact that it got so popular is probably not the original author's fault or possibly even intention but he's still the responsible party.

              The only way to ensure this kind of "techno-libel of incompetency" gets shut down properly is to ridiule those who are arrogant enough to publicize their drivel when 100% in the wrong. This is a technical thing, not political you can't push your bullshit here...

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              • #47
                Oh sheesh my friends.

                I supplied the answer to this silly spin locks problem so long ago I can barely remember now.

                But perhaps it's so simple others could not understand it, so once again here's what you do.

                Blast Dead or Alive's "You Spin Me Round" as loud as possible, while physically standing and spinning right round as fast as possible, until whatever necessary time has expired.

                Sheesh again.

                It seems like I have to do everything 'round here

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                • #48
                  Uh oh, the notorious offender said "pure garbage". Is he going to rehab again?

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by perpetually high View Post

                    Thanks for the lecture, but the problem you and many others make is comparing Linus to other "project leaders" and Linux to other "software projects."

                    No, they are not Linus and they are not Linux. Save your bogus analogies. Not many people have built an operating system from the ground up and maintained it for 20+ years to the scale he has. He knows what he is talking about and there are FEW that are even on that level. Put some fucking respect on his name, young man.

                    Terms like "garbage" are prevalant is software (e.g. garbage collection, memory has garbage values), so he called it for what he saw it. And you know what, maybe I'd be a little peeved too if someone made a blog post attacking the Linux scheduler without the proper context and knowledge to back it up. And on top of that, he went in to great lengths to explain the situation to further the discussion.

                    So save your bullshit about "psychology" and "overcompensating" for someone else.
                    You are welcome and you missed my point.
                    No doubt what Linus is achieving on his work part is remarkable. But not on the subject of interpersonal communication.
                    The end justifies the means?
                    Because of his achievements he is a role model - The point is that people like you think if they are mimicking him they gain reputation - read your former posts - qed.
                    Unnecessary inappropriate words to underline your arguments - you dont need to read c.g. jung first to get that.

                    Somehow like those teens throwing out some rap phrases, wearing baggypants and thinking they are as cool and respectable as the drug overlords in projects nearby.
                    And I think exactly this is the reason why Linus decided even against his nature to take some time off and initiate a CoC plus taking some interpersonal communication courses. Especially because people with smaller (sub)projects are using his style likewise and communication now is more about who smashes the best words instead of focus on work.

                    To be honest the way you are choosing the words does exactly the opposite of what you want to achieve - as you have said Linus is unique if you try to copy his style and use harsh words despite of your knowledge it reduces your credibility.
                    EOL(esson)


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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Creak View Post
                      Just by seeing how some people here consider the Google developer to "showed himself a fool", or that he "sucks", or that he "was talking mostly out of his rear", or even making a general affirmation that "Google is becoming pathetic". This explains why words are important. If Linus would have been less rude, maybe you lot would have been less rude too.

                      This, to me, is the exact definition of a toxic community.

                      I know other open source communities where you can be told you're wrong without telling you you're stupid.
                      You're just not willing to see the issue with that point of view, are you? No one in here was being rude and neither was Linus. You are the one that chose to imply that people called the Google developer 'stupid'. Yet, in not a single one of your examples do I see a single instance of the word 'stupid'. See what it is like, someone nitpicking vocabulary?

                      I'll grant you that some words could have been selected more... precisely but, to call them rude? That, in and of itself, is quite rude. Or, it might be perceived as such by some. You see the issue I am trying to point out here? By focussing so incredibly hard on the exact choice of words you are only contributing to the very toxicity you seek to prevent or cure. Not only because you're now part of calling people out in quite a harsh manner, over matters that are incidental but also because you're implying imposing a will onto others.

                      That... is rude. Very much so even.

                      Furthermore, by dragging on the vocabulary narrative you're only contributing to derailing the issue further and further away from where it needs to be. The Google developer in question called out an issue with the CFS scheduler. And yes, there might very well be an issue with it. And the focus should have been kept on that. And Linus mostly tried to keep it there. And so have most of us in this topic. Yet, here you are... continuing to attempt to derail it in the direction of vocabulary. Why? Why do people like you do that? And no, I do not want a literal answer. I want you to think on it for yourself. Really, I mean it... do not provide me with an answer, provide yourself with one.

                      Let's remain on topic, the improvement of the Linux kernel.

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