Originally posted by starshipeleven
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"there is a proportional disparity of women and certain ethnic groups in software" is not a motive but a fact.
We were talking methods and motives here.
A motive would be "make IT world more inclusive for non-white males".
We were talking methods and motives here.
A motive would be "make IT world more inclusive for non-white males".
It's not a matter of possible solutions, but of clouding one's judgement.
Humans work like that, if you split the motives it's easier to convince people.
Humans work like that, if you split the motives it's easier to convince people.
Huh? Making a car that none wants and won't sell for shit is a good thing now? What are you, FIAT-Chrysler's CEO?
As I said, you can do that, but it's not advisable. It will lead to bad judgement.
Red herring much?
This is not about different proposals to solve a problem, but about splitting the motives from the methods.
This is not about different proposals to solve a problem, but about splitting the motives from the methods.
With Outreachy, there's a motive to a known situation most people would agree exists (again, whether or not it is a problem I'm going to get into) and there's only one proposed solution.
With the poverty example, there's a motive to a known situation most people would agree with, and multiple proposed solutions.
In both cases, there are people who strongly disagree with the solutions.
The only difference between these 2 is how the poverty example already has multiple propositions; Outreachy has the potential for more, but doesn't yet have them.
You are basically arguing that you can't split the motive from the method, but if that were true, how do people agree there's a poverty issue yet are at each other's throats for the solution? There's a literal split from the motive and method there.
There is nothing preventing Outreachy from having an alternative solution. Just because one doesn't yet exist, in no way does that mean you can't divorce the motive from the method. You're allowed to disagree with something without having a proposed alternative.
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