ZFS On Linux 0.8.1 Brings Many Fixes, Linux 5.2 Compatibility Bits

Fixed, sort of.

I don't trust Oracle, and I don't want the kernel to be tainted by their work. It's a company known for filing silly lawsuits, and I don't think it's a good idea to give them a reason to possibly sue someone.

[tildearrow]

I hope Oracle converts ZFS to GPL. The CDDL isn't even a waste of time, it's just harmful.

Fixed, sort of.

[oiaohm]

ZFS doesn't compete with MD, LVM and ext4/xfs.. it competes with NetApp and EMC.

Stop you have a mistake.

MD, LVM and ext4/xfs are used in solutions that are used as alternatives to NetAPP and ZFS like https://stratis-storage.github.io/faq/. Please note I did not type EMC.

https://germany.emc.com/collateral/white-paper/h13047-storage-config-best-practices-sap-hana-tdi-vnx-wp.pdf

EMC in fact backs using xfs in a lot of their configurations. EMC provides the block device and volume management side integration into LVM.


So if ZFS competes with EMC it has to compete in part with the xfs file system because the xfs file system is part of EMC solutions.

[dragorth]

Layered is closer to the unix philosophy of small sharp tools but I guess we have not been letting that stand in the way of progress with Linux, Systemd, etc. I'd like ZFS in the kernel, but for now we have layers(lvm/crypt/integrity/fs) or the feature lacking buggy btrfs.

Layered isn't the right choice in a FS. A FS should be stable and not subject to breakage thanks to moving parts. FSes as they are now are to brittle to handle the cases were an upgrade goes wrong. And our best protection against that case is still duplicating data.

Compare that to utilities that can be piped together. If one version of ls is giving you problems, it doesn't destroy your data, the OS or anything else. (Yes it could if a really buggy version existed, but you get what I mean.

[k1e0x]

Well, I think it is pretty cool even though I am just starting to get into using it, right now just in a virtual image with virtual disk images. Basically to learn. Do we have anything better on Linux yet that covers RAID and all the rest, all together, not just a bunch of layered stuff? Seriously, do we?

You don't.

ZFS doesn't compete with MD, LVM and ext4/xfs.. it competes with NetApp and EMC.

Big big data.. pretty sure Twitter is on ZFS. (Edit: It was, not any longer? Tho there are other large customers and products)

https://www.datto.com

https://www.joyent.com

https://nexenta.com

https://www.ddn.com

And of course.. https://www.ixsystems.com/truenas

I think some company with an O has a product too.. idk I avoid them on principle.. And their version sucks anyhow.

[elatllat]

Layered is closer to the unix philosophy of small sharp tools but I guess we have not been letting that stand in the way of progress with Linux, Systemd, etc. I'd like ZFS in the kernel, but for now we have layers(lvm/crypt/integrity/fs) or the feature lacking buggy btrfs.

Well, I think it is pretty cool even though I am just starting to get into using it, right now just in a virtual image with virtual disk images. Basically to learn. Do we have anything better on Linux yet that covers RAID and all the rest, all together, not just a bunch of layered stuff? Seriously, do we?

LVM exists.

[RomuloP]

It is weird, how many times will this out of tree drive face situations like this?

[numacross]

Well, I think it is pretty cool even though I am just starting to get into using it, right now just in a virtual image with virtual disk images. Basically to learn. Do we have anything better on Linux yet that covers RAID and all the rest, all together, not just a bunch of layered stuff? Seriously, do we?

We do not, also don't mind the troll :P

[ehansin]

I hope Oracle sends them a cease and desist letter. This project isn't even a waste of time, it's just harmful.

Well, I think it is pretty cool even though I am just starting to get into using it, right now just in a virtual image with virtual disk images. Basically to learn. Do we have anything better on Linux yet that covers RAID and all the rest, all together, not just a bunch of layered stuff? Seriously, do we?