Systemd 241 Paired With Linux 4.19+ To Enable New Regular File & FIFO Protection

[tildearrow]

UNIX? I thought that was the RISC OS philosophy?

Arthur was created years after UNIX was released.

[starshipeleven]

Oh I know Gentoo isn't for everyone. I did give Tumbleweed an honest try, but it just really wasn't my thing.

Yeah that's fine.
I'm totally not using my psychic powers to bend your will and use Tumbleweed.
I'll pretend I said that for other people reading our discussion.

I'm the kind of weirdo that would rather use & learn Gentoo

For an easier way into the dark side, you can go with Sabayon, which is a Gentoo binary derivative that still includes full Gentoo ability to recompile emerge and do the usual Gentoo stuff from Gentoo repos if you want to, but having also binary packages you don't have to do it for everything so it tries to be a "best of both worlds".
Their "stable" version isn't really bleeding edge as claimed in the home page (LTS kernel and systemd 233 for example), and their bleeding edge "daily" snapshot still ships systemd 239 so it's less bleeding edge than Arch I guess.

[Vistaus]

Arthur was created years after UNIX was released.

I know that, I just thought that they came up with that philosophy, not UNIX, but apparently I was wrong.

[jpg44]

"Doesn't Linux share the UNIX philosophy that "everything is a file"? Which would mean that everything belongs in some kind of filesystem tree?"

That used to be the unix philosphy until systemd come and destroyed it all.

At this point I no longer value Linux over Microsoft Windows because that is basically what they made out of it with pulseaudio + systemd.

Our only salvation is Slackware and the BSDs, make sure systemd, shim and their kind never even get a foothold in BSD land EVER!

Thats just not true!

systemd and pulseaudio do not do anything to weaken the everything is a file metaphor. pulseaudio does allow for the use of sockets. systemd and pulseaudio are also not against the Unix philosophy but are actually consistent with it. systemd is decentralized into 40 different binaries, and is actually more modular and more flexible than the old init system.



ALSA is what perhaps changed the idea of using a file and did not use files as much as OSS, and Video4Linux also did not follow everything is a file. Remember these came along long, long before pulseaudio. If a anything pulseaudio helped make things more modular by allowing better mixing and better multiplexing of access to the hardware. This is actually a Unix like philosophy which is to do things in a seperate process rather than to try to build everything but the kitchen sink into the kernel.

Also remember, that actually a fifo or pipe can be inadequate for sound or video APIs where many applications need to connect at once. It is however pefectly fine to implement a userland solution in the form of a video and audio server to multiplex data from unix domain socket connections and then feed them into the Kernel API.

So Unix Domain Sockets are a much better solution and are just a multiplexed kind of file many apps can make seperate connections to and are much more appropriate for these kinds of things.

[profoundWHALE]

Eh, I just think SystemD is easier to read than systemd.

the day I start having change from

sudo apt install vlc

to

sudo apt install VLC

or

sudo apt install libVLC

is the day I stop using the command line for application installs.

[skeevy420]

the day I start having change from

sudo apt install vlc

to

sudo apt install VLC

or

sudo apt install libVLC

is the day I stop using the command line for application installs.

That's what Fish or Zsh with syntax highlighting is for. I use it all the time to prevent command line mistakes.

All I'm going to say is that if you have reading issues, blocks of text can be hard to read...like man pages, forums, books... In those instances where I don't have syntax highlighting and what not, altered spellings & certain letters capitalized can make it easier to read.

[skeevy420]

Yeah that's fine.
I'm totally not using my psychic powers to bend your will and use Tumbleweed.
I'll pretend I said that for other people reading our discussion.

For an easier way into the dark side, you can go with Sabayon, which is a Gentoo binary derivative that still includes full Gentoo ability to recompile emerge and do the usual Gentoo stuff from Gentoo repos if you want to, but having also binary packages you don't have to do it for everything so it tries to be a "best of both worlds".
Their "stable" version isn't really bleeding edge as claimed in the home page (LTS kernel and systemd 233 for example), and their bleeding edge "daily" snapshot still ships systemd 239 so it's less bleeding edge than Arch I guess.

A big part of wanting to go to Gentoo is for the learning experience. Using something binary based takes some of that learning away in my experiences. I want to be forced into configuring it all, to do it all from the ground up, to learn.

[Weasel]

the day I start having change from

sudo apt install vlc

to

sudo apt install VLC

or

sudo apt install libVLC

is the day I stop using the command line for application installs.

Make it case insensitive then.

I mean what is the point of capital letters being distinct if you don't want to use them, ever?

[pal666]

I've never taken one side or the other on the systemd arguments, but systemd breaking my system 3 times in 3 days is enough to make me join the anti-systemd crowd and really light that fire under my ass to finally install Gentoo.

did systemd on your system became self-aware and started downloading random crap from internet? or it was you who broken your system and blamed systemd?

[pal666]

At Devuan you can choose Sysvinit or OpenRC

clearly devuan bastards are anti-choice since they forbid systemd

My Debian systems try to force me to install Systemd, i have to block that packages
because

you are idiot. sane people do no care what packages are installed, they only care that their distro works well. when it doesn't, they change distro, not blame some random package, overloading their brains

Today the Debian Systemd packager resigned

be smart enough to select distro with better packagers then