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  • #51
    Originally posted by malkavian View Post
    At Devuan you can choose Sysvinit or OpenRC
    clearly devuan bastards are anti-choice since they forbid systemd
    Originally posted by malkavian View Post
    My Debian systems try to force me to install Systemd, i have to block that packages
    because
    you are idiot. sane people do no care what packages are installed, they only care that their distro works well. when it doesn't, they change distro, not blame some random package, overloading their brains
    Originally posted by malkavian View Post
    Today the Debian Systemd packager resigned
    be smart enough to select distro with better packagers then

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    • #52
      Originally posted by malkavian View Post
      And more info in this spanish blog:
      so you've lied, as usual for systemd haters. in reality systemd developers fixed bug which uncovered erroneous use of udev rules by debian maintainer and he insisted that system should stop fixing bugs and allow him to continue using broken udev rules indefinitely. obviousy systemd devs disagreed with such stupidity

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      • #53
        Originally posted by hreindl View Post
        bla - systemd is a name and not a package
        your nick is "Weasel" and not "wEaseL"
        Do you dream of systemd in your sleep?

        Helps to check the post I quoted and what the context was about. Starts with V, ends with C, and has a L in the middle.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by pal666 View Post
          clearly devuan bastards are anti-choice since they forbid systemd
          you are idiot. sane people do no care what packages are installed, they only care that their distro works well. when it doesn't, they change distro, not blame some random package, overloading their brains
          be smart enough to select distro with better packagers then
          Are that words necessary? Bastards, idiot? Seems that if you don't love systemd you are a hater an idiot. No more to talk with you, since you won't give a fuck. Just saying: bugtemd fucked my data and it is not GNU/Linux for me, I see it as a MS Windows project maybe. For stability I prefer serious developers who take care of bugs and KISS.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

            On Antergos, SDDM quit working with 240 this morning after upgrading to linux 4.20.3 (system froze, no magic sysrq or ctrl+alt+del, when SDDM should have launched) so I downgraded systemd, systemd-sysvcompat, and libidn2 from the actual system...that didn't go so well and I ended up with libidn2 missing library errors, had to boot up a live disk, arch-chroot in, blind extract libidn2 over /usr, and managed to get pacman working enough to do a pacman -Syyu....system booted up just fine after that. All I did to fix it was fix a fucked up downgrade.

            You might get lucky doing a reinstall of systemd and systemd-sysvcompat, maybe libidn2, from a chroot.

            I've never taken one side or the other on the systemd arguments, but systemd breaking my system 3 times in 3 days is enough to make me join the anti-systemd crowd and really light that fire under my ass to finally install Gentoo.
            I'm running gentoo, systemd 240 is running fine on my two bare metal systems, I'm only having issues with 240 on HyperV

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            • #56
              Originally posted by hreindl View Post

              look how the haters here "argue" and it's not only here
              With insults like you both do? That's a good way of showing that you have no better to defend your position. Be happy.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by hreindl View Post
                come on show me a good way argue with a guy like Weasel which don't want to hear anything because he knows the world

                people argue like this are dumb and you can't tell them technical facts because they are dumb and deaf
                https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...67#post1074667
                You seem frustrated. It's funny, since you insulted a lot more people and I wasn't even the first one in this thread, so perhaps it's not me after all, it's YOU.

                Not sure what you linked has anything to do with systemd, but ok. About that: If all you can make are shit-tier claims, I can provide equal claims as arguments, kids like you need to learn the hard way why their arguments are shit by being mirrored and frustrated. You have to understand one thing: your claims don't have zero value, but a negative value. That's worse.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by hreindl View Post
                  by pretend there is something like "trusted software" which has to run without any restrictions and that you are safe by scan downloads you have digged youself that deep in the shit that there is no way out - you simply have no clue about IT at all and the other 3 friends of you talking bullshit at least stop when they regognize it at their own

                  you have brought no single technical fact in any thread over the last two weeks and repeatly show that you are dumb and deaf - that's it
                  tl;dr analogy: what do you call someone which makes claims such as "the Earth is flat" and accuses others of being "dumb and deaf" when they refuse to acknowledge it? hreindl

                  I'm going to say this one last time: your claims have negative value, not even zero. If you want to argue with me, come up with some actual backup to them. Claims will be fully ignored. I'm not accepting shit-tier claims and no that doesn't make me deaf, it simply makes your claims of below-worthless value.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by hreindl View Post
                    i call them idiots and since you are the one making claims such as "the Earth is flat" guess who is the idiot
                    I state facts.

                    e.g. systemd is shit because it's too large and intertwined with dependencies, has too many fucking components, and you can't disable/replace journald.

                    This is a fact (ofc the fact that it's shit because of this fact is my opinion, suck it).

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                    • #60
                      When the Debian-systemd drama was ongoing I followed it without any strong preference. Well, I did fear the move to systemd would mean that I would have to learn again a lot of basics and in fact I feel like an amateur when I have to deal with journalctl, systemctl, etc, I am still not comfortable with the systemd ways.
                      systemd also introduces many bugs that are quite irritating, specially when it breaks trivial things like name resolution 'just because' they felt like reinventing the wheel and write systemd-resolved (or so it often seems).
                      However, once you go deeper and realize the motivation to rewrite so many basic pieces and what systemd accomplishes as a whole, it is impressive.
                      With systemd if I read a .service file and see that it is running as user X I am done. If it is a custom script for a random piece of software, I would not be comfortable it is doing the right thing. Also, writing .service files gets really easy while at the same time taking advantage of all security tools Linux has to offer.

                      So I am sold on systemd, I think it may have some short term pain but on the long term having a really solid init solution that requires no custom scripts is the way to go for a sane system.

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