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  • #81
    Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post

    With the revolutionary aproach changing things like the Init completly,( for the worst ), the SysAdmin cannot solve problems that before were possible to be solved, without down time, now we are systemd dependent, that makes a lot of magic things in the meadle, and we have downtimes with that..and dowtime for us means millions per hour.
    if you have one second downtime because systemd it's *your* pure incompetence - period

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    • #82
      Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
      Linux haven´t grown up in the desktop, Linux is deployed in datacenters for a lot of high risk business now.
      The idea of bringing it to desktop, is killing the real business in datacenter...look to Microsoft, its an example.
      We don´t have Microsoft products in Risky places, only end users..
      I think that both things are possible, and we advanced a lot in desktop area without sacrificing neither server area nor Unix philosophy until Systemd.

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      • #83
        Originally posted by malkavian View Post

        I think that both things are possible, and we advanced a lot in desktop area without sacrificing neither server area nor Unix philosophy until Systemd.
        and another fool with no clue about systemd and the unix philosophy

        at the moment i am sad that i had not bookmarked a lwn article und comments from a famous and long years unix/linux developer which more or less made clear that you guys are talking simply bullshit bechause sysvinit and how the things are clued together never had any real principle and that it's not something you can call a design but it worked somehow

        http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

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        • #84
          Originally posted by hreindl View Post
          and another fool with no clue about systemd and the unix philosophy
          Your communication skillz will make all zealots become moist.

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          • #85
            Originally posted by Candy View Post
            Your communication skillz will make all zealots become moist.
            well, you can write 5 pages and describe one person or use a single word which was invited to replace all that bla

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            • #86
              Originally posted by malkavian View Post

              I think that both things are possible, and we advanced a lot in desktop area without sacrificing neither server area nor Unix philosophy until Systemd.
              Yes, its also my Opinion,
              Great achievements were made before until SystemD arrived..

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              • #87
                Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
                Yes, its also my Opinion,
                Great achievements were made before until SystemD arrived..
                Another person using the moron tag. SystemD is a company not software please get your trademarks right that company started a decade before Linux existed..

                So tuxd3v do you believe that Unix stalled in 1981 when company SystemD formed.

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                • #88
                  Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

                  Another person using the moron tag. SystemD is a company not software please get your trademarks right that company started a decade before Linux existed..

                  So tuxd3v do you believe that Unix stalled in 1981 when company SystemD formed.
                  You need to ask that question to the SystemD guys out there..
                  Becasue as I recall it, it was "S"ystem"D", at beginning..and so I tend to call the things with its Original names on them..

                  But I also can call it "S"ystem"D"own,
                  To please some people that use the moron tag, and don´t know of it yet( humm maybe they never will.. )

                  But never mind...
                  Can you imagine a Unix guy calling a init system "S"ystem"D"???
                  Even if it came from Alpha Centaurus in a blue space ship?
                  Even then, can you still imagine that??

                  Starting by the name,
                  It speaks volumes about the Culture behind, those Windows Hybrid coders..but its not their fault...
                  The real fault needs to be pointed to RedHat project Managers... pure incompetence!
                  They put those kids coding, like if they were creating a self contained application..and what those kids knew was Windows,they breathe Windows..
                  They want to come to Gnu/Linux, because Linux is a trend now, and that is good, but also have its negative side..

                  I happens to be present at some keypoint Interviews for Jobs, none of the candidates. would be, even in a parallel life capable of naming an Init as "S"ystem"D", those guys don´t pass from first stage of interviews..

                  And I am not speaking about colour, sex, or race,on the contrary,
                  I am speaking about Unix Culture Philosophy and Respect for what it represent...
                  A guy naming a init system "S"ystem"D", has **none** of them, and everything to go wrong..

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
                    Can you imagine a Unix guy calling a init system "S"ystem"D"???.
                    Yes because System D the company made a replacement init for HPUX in 1982. HPUX with SystemD is HPUX using System D company init system predates Linux Systemd by a large margin.

                    Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
                    Becasue as I recall it, it was "S"ystem"D", at beginning..and so I tend to call the things with its Original names on them..
                    Lennart Poettering and Kay Sievers who are the people who started the Linux Systemd never called it SystemD there were smart enough to know that runs into trademark conflict and is a name of a prior non Linux Init system yes disappeared out of usage before Linux was started. Yes some of the people trolling Systemd have searched SystemD and are quoting HPUX SystemD init errors instead of Linux Systemd issues. Welcome to to fun on name conflicts.

                    https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/

                    The description of the Systemd name has been known for quite some time.

                    Really saying I need to ask question of systemd guys is the fact you have not done your homework on what Systemd correct name is and are using garbage.

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
                      (..)
                      Lennart Poettering and Kay Sievers who are the people who started the Linux Systemd never called it SystemD there were smart enough to know that runs into trademark conflict and is a name of a prior non Linux Init system yes disappeared out of usage before Linux was started. Yes some of the people trolling Systemd have searched SystemD and are quoting HPUX SystemD init errors instead of Linux Systemd issues. Welcome to to fun on name conflicts.
                      (...)
                      The name was changed after, and I recall it correctly!
                      They name it SystemD, but when they were trolled by the Community, the name was changed..

                      You need to find a better way to resell the same..

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