Linux Is Getting New Network Libraries From Veteran systemd/BUS1 Developers

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Linux Is Getting New Network Libraries From Veteran systemd/BUS1 Developers

Veteran systemd and BUS1 developers are David Herrmann and Tom Gundersen have been working on "nettools" as a new network configuration libraries project for Linux...

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...-linux-network

[ptrwis]

Recordings are here:
http://streaming.media.ccc.de/asg2018

[Michael]

Recordings are here:
http://streaming.media.ccc.de/asg2018

Right for livestreams but are past recordings working? I had tried earlier presentations to watch and it still only ever seems to jump to the livestream.

[cybertraveler]

If they're planning on making it universal will they still create a dependency on systemd? If so it wont be universal. There will always be GNU/Linux distros that do not adopt systemd.

[monarc]

Right for livestreams but are past recordings working? I had tried earlier presentations to watch and it still only ever seems to jump to the livestream.

nettools talk
https://media.ccc.de/v/ASG2018-209-nettools

all recordings: https://media.ccc.de/b/asg2018

[droste]

If they're planning on making it universal will they still create a dependency on systemd? If so it wont be universal. There will always be GNU/Linux distros that do not adopt systemd.

The slide where this comes from mentions this: https://github.com/nettools/n-ipv4ll

REQUIREMENTS: 
         The requirements for n-ipv4ll are:

             Linux kernel >= 3.19
             libc (e.g., glibc >= 2.16)

          At build-time, the following software is required:

             meson >= 0.41
             pkg-config >= 0.29

[dvdhrm]

If they're planning on making it universal will they still create a dependency on systemd? If so it wont be universal. There will always be GNU/Linux distros that do not adopt systemd.

The project has nothing to do with systemd. And as droste mentioned, it has no dependency on systemd.

[cybertraveler]

The project has nothing to do with systemd. And as droste mentioned, it has no dependency on systemd.

"will they"?

[cybertraveler]

The slide where this comes from mentions this: https://github.com/nettools/n-ipv4ll

REQUIREMENTS:
The requirements for n-ipv4ll are:

Linux kernel >= 3.19
libc (e.g., glibc >= 2.16)

At build-time, the following software is required:

meson >= 0.41
pkg-config >= 0.29

I found that already. I asked "will they still create a dependency on systemd?"

Keeping systemd optional is becoming problematic. I keep seeing projects that deliberately or accidently become dependent on systemd and then later an effort is made to decouple it (Gnome & Flatpak are two that come to mind). As they are systemd developers, I am concerned they will make a nice tool, it will become popular and then it will end up depending on systemd making it even harder for distros to use alternative service managers / init systems and alternatives to all the other systemd daemons.

I don't mind systemd so long as it remains a choice.

[dvdhrm]

"will they"?

No. We will not.