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  • jacob
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    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    That manifesto evokes the definition of pure disgust.
    • Linux is bad. We have an ethical responsibility to refuse to work on it. It's bad for Microsoft and its employees since it's competition. They're just trying to feed their families you know? SJW mindset and rules in a nutshell.
    This is the exact argument once used by one Darl McBride, by the way.

    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    • We acknowledge the value of non-technical contributors as equal to the value of technical contributors.
    Ummm no we don't. Or, more precisely, not always and not automatically. Some non-technical contributions, like funding, donations, writing documentation, UI design, providing support to users etc. are indeed very valuable, as much as technical contributions (code, benchmarking, testing etc.)

    But then there is the other kind of non-technical "contributions", which I'm afraid is the one that the authors of the CoC may have in mind. It's the one that flourishes in the new BS academic departments created to give vacuous vanity degrees to rich but dumb kids at universities that were once prestigious. Here it would have to do with "contributing" to "fighting" against "heteronormative patriarchy" on the LKML, making sure that presentations at Linux conferences are conducted according to the Progressive Stack and "decolonising " the git repos.

    Should that happen, thanks God for the GPL that allows us to fork and kiss them goodbye!
    Last edited by jacob; 19 September 2018, 08:54 PM.

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  • jacob
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    Originally posted by audir8 View Post
    3) You don't need to look further than gamergate, and other such malfeasance online to see that online abuse is very real. There are mods on subreddits and any small/mid size site like phoronix, who keep things in check, but when it comes to open source communities (any async communication) it's always better to have set rules everyone can follow. Everyone's comfort level around others varies highly, and saying just be "excellent" might not cut it, hence the need for a few precise ground rules. This is also why It's better to have such rules than to have none, you can always change the rules to fit community needs and set enforcement guidelines.
    Grown people can, and do, put up with abuse, which is unavoidable and is just a part of life, like bad weather. And if the "activists" are so desperate for a cause to "fight" for (not that they have the faintest idea what that really means) but can't come up with anything more substantial than trying to drum up a "*gate" out of F*KING VIDEO GAME CHARACTERS, then I would say bless them, but maybe they should actually get a life,.

    Originally posted by audir8 View Post
    4) I'm pretty sure gender identity in an opensource project realistically only applies to using the correct pronouns for a person and treating them as such, and little else. If you have a problem with this, see 2) and seek additional help.
    .
    Well that part is easy. The correct pronoun for a person with XY chromosomes and a penis is "he". A person with XX chromosomes and a vagina is a "she". "They" is only correct when referring to a group of people. Everything else is non-gramamtical, and words like "xe" or "zir" don't exist in the English language.

    The problem here is that behind the "correct pronouns" fad is something outright sinister: the attempt to transform and control language in order to transform and control people's thoughts with regard to an enforced but unwanted ideology. Orwell called that Newspeak and he has shown better than anyone how terrifying it can be if we allow it.

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  • gk981
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    Originally posted by Djhg2000 View Post
    ...Remember the days when we could say "[profanity] you, NVIDIA" over them actively working against you? Gone...
    That reminded me. I've seen that video. And those words from Torvalds were in response to a question asked by a...WOMAN! YES!

    And he treated her with nothing but understanding and respect too...
    Here's the link to the video: https://youtu.be/IVpOyKCNZYw

    Because, you know, he's just so hateful and intolerant <sarcasm alert>.

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  • gk981
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    I've been wondering what to think and say about all of this, and I've just watched a good video summing up what's happened rather well, putting everything into good perspective.

    I think the words that close out the video I watched (I'm curious if anyone will recognise them) will say it best:

    "If it gets worse, it just means its gonna get better later. That's my position.
    Realistic advice: be independent...I wish the best for Linux...I hope LInus...rights all the wrongs.
    But if it doesn't happen, its not a big deal...there are other software projects...its gonna be ok. Its gonna be ok guys."

    That might be hard to hear properly, for people like me who wonder if the worst will really happen. But I think its good advice too.

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  • Djhg2000
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    Originally posted by bitnick View Post
    But it also makes me intrigued. You say you don't "believe" in gender identity. I am a male and I also identify as a male (i.e. I "feel" like a male). I expect most males identify as males, and most women identify as women, but apparently there are those who identify with the opposite sex, or somewhere in between, or with no sex at all. Since you don't believe in gender identity I guess you belong to the latter? But even if you don't have an associated identity, it should not be that hard to imagine that other people consider themselves as male or female, i.e. that they have a gender identity? From that it should not be that big a leap to imagine that people could "feel like" a bit of both?

    (Note that this doesn't imply anything about the reasons for people being transgender, homosexual or whatever.)
    The whole concept of "gender identity" to me is insane.

    For example, if you are a male but share more interest with women than with men, then that does not make you a woman. It simply makes you a man with different interests than the majority. If you then think that you need to become a woman to be socially acceptable it means you have low self confidence, which in itself is not unusual, but the appropriate response is not to say that you are a woman. The appropriate response is to stand up for yourself and come to peace with who you are. Change the boundaries of what is socially acceptable for your gender instead of abandoning ship. This is because having overlapping interests with your partner is a naturally desirable attribute. Changing your "gender identity" to match your interests just makes it harder for potential partners to find you and makes your self confidence founded on a lie. If you have deviating sexual interests then that's fine, it has nothing to do with the issue at hand and I don't give a toss.

    I'm sure that by now you've heard of those who now "identify" themselves as Apache attack helicopters. While hard to take seriously, their "gender identity" must be treated as just as valid as those who "identify" as their opposite gender (or some other made up "gender") under the new code of conduct. The rest of us are now expected to play along in this mess.

    (Yes, there is an extremely small minority who does not have two chromosomes (and an even smaller minority of those who will genuinely have to pick a gender through plastic surgery, because they lack all of the distinguishing body features (of either gender)), but that's not something we should base our social standards on.)

    All that aside, having a concept with such low support etched into a foundation document is absurd. Including the clause "Other conduct which could reasonably be considered inappropriate in a professional setting" as an example of unacceptable behavior is also wildly open to interpretation. Remember the days when we could say "[profanity] you, NVIDIA" over them actively working against you? Gone. "As it is, the patches are COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE."? Also gone. "Only Sun can take such nice parts and [profanity] up the programming interface like this."? Definitely gone.

    Like it or not, the lack of a set professional standard in communications is what allowed Linux to become the wild west with quality assurance that it is today.

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  • ParticleBoard
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    Everyone go read this very well written response on the LKML - https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/17/1147

    Then if you can stomach it go read this idiotic reply which mirrors the garbage on this forum to a tee - https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/18/527

    He discounts most everything written in his reply.
    He thinks it's a good idea for no specific reason.
    Gives an example that has NOTHING to do with the linux kernel itself or the previous CoC.
    And the icing on the cake this bit "this is my first "contribution" to LKML", has never submitted anything to the kernel but needs to weigh in on discussions.

    This is the future of the LKML and linux itself.

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  • audir8
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    Originally posted by euler271 View Post

    so now employers dont have the right to spend their money however they want? ohh, that's right. they dont. we are doing very good ppl, moving on.
    The value of something is different from the compensation for that thing. There are a lot more people who can write documentation and a lot less who can write COBOL.

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  • euler271
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    Originally posted by audir8 View Post
    Right, as in educating users on how to use your software, or making sure your software isn't causing more problems than it solves: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...rget-only-men/ non-technical contributions are just as valuable as technical contributions when there is a real need.

    If you're a libertarian leaning pretentious HN-reading Uber employee, this manifesto just might change your life. Otherwise, it's best ignored.
    so now employers dont have the right to spend their money however they want? ohh, that's right. they dont. we are doing very good ppl, moving on.

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  • audir8
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    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    That manifesto evokes the definition of pure disgust.

    The most disgusting parts:
    • We are devoted to practicing compassion and not contempt. We refuse to belittle other people because of their choices of tools, techniques, or languages.
    ^ Linux is literally RIP if it gets infested by retarded cunts with their shitty languages or tools other than mostly C.
    If you tell me to make a CRUD website with an admin page in an hr. I'm using rails, at least that's my excuse.

    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    • We have an ethical responsibility to refuse to work on software that will negatively impact the well-being of other people.
    ^ Linux is bad. We have an ethical responsibility to refuse to work on it. It's bad for Microsoft and its employees since it's competition. They're just trying to feed their families you know? SJW mindset and rules in a nutshell.
    If you don't take this literally, it makes sense to actually have some ethics around software development.

    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    • We acknowledge the value of non-technical contributors as equal to the value of technical contributors.
    ^ Spoken like a true skilless garbage who wants to be held "equal" to people actually putting in the effort. Technical skills are effort, nobody is born with them. This does nothing but belittle those with technical skills and basically says "it's OK to be an uneducated retard, you'll still be equal in value" in terms of contributions.

    Whole point of software is the result. Because that's what matters.
    Right, as in educating users on how to use your software, or making sure your software isn't causing more problems than it solves: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...rget-only-men/ non-technical contributions are just as valuable as technical contributions when there is a real need.

    If you're a libertarian leaning pretentious HN-reading Uber employee, this manifesto just might change your life. Otherwise, it's best ignored.
    Last edited by audir8; 19 September 2018, 02:24 PM.

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  • Weasel
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    Originally posted by Qaridarium
    "The Post-Meritocracy Manifesto

    Meritocracy is a founding principle of the open source movement, and the ideal of meritocracy is perpetuated throughout our field in the way people are recruited, hired, retained, promoted, and valued.

    But meritocracy has consistently shown itself to mainly benefit those with privilege, to the exclusion of underrepresented people in technology."

    signet by: "Patricia Torvalds"

    https://postmeritocracy.org/

    now we know why Linus Torvalds does this code of conduct shit

    Because his daughter is a Communist Marxist feminist !!!!!

    Holy shit.... Linus Torvalds how can you betray us all like this?
    That manifesto evokes the definition of pure disgust.

    The most disgusting parts:
    • We are devoted to practicing compassion and not contempt. We refuse to belittle other people because of their choices of tools, techniques, or languages.
    ^ Linux is literally RIP if it gets infested by retarded cunts with their shitty languages or tools other than mostly C.
    • We have an ethical responsibility to refuse to work on software that will negatively impact the well-being of other people.
    ^ Linux is bad. We have an ethical responsibility to refuse to work on it. It's bad for Microsoft and its employees since it's competition. They're just trying to feed their families you know? SJW mindset and rules in a nutshell.
    • We acknowledge the value of non-technical contributors as equal to the value of technical contributors.
    ^ Spoken like a true skilless garbage who wants to be held "equal" to people actually putting in the effort. Technical skills are effort, nobody is born with them. This does nothing but belittle those with technical skills and basically says "it's OK to be an uneducated retard, you'll still be equal in value" in terms of contributions.

    Whole point of software is the result. Because that's what matters.

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