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  • Djhg2000
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    Originally posted by Melcar View Post

    This is the main problem with the CoC. The language used is too vague and open to interpretations and misuse. People can just twist and turn it, like above. It can apply to anything really.
    Exactly, but those who push these kinds of CoCs usually have a decent influence with the judge and jury. In this case that might not be the case. This time they might face people who actually stand up for their own interpretation of the situation.

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  • Melcar
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    Originally posted by Djhg2000 View Post

    The replies to those tweets are just fantastic, I guess he/she/it/they/them/qwerty/fizz/buzz/glip/glop/whatever didn't expect the code of conduct to be used both ways by the Linux community. Here's just one of them:



    There's also a whole heap of users claiming to now be blocked by @_sagesharp_ . If we can keep turning the code of conduct against them like this then I guess it might not be so bad after all.
    This is the main problem with the CoC. The language used is too vague and open to interpretations and misuse. People can just twist and turn it, like above. It can apply to anything really.

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  • unixfan2001
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    Originally posted by jacob View Post

    Rubbish. Stallman's catchphrase about free beer vs free speech may sound like a tired cliche but apparently he hasn't repeated it enough yet. No one has ever said embracing free(dom) software must automatically mean doing it "for free" in your spare time. You *can*, if you want to. You can also run a business based on it.
    I didn't say you couldn't make a business out of it. However, GoFundMe isn't how you set up a sustainable business and it's highly suspect all of this happened within 24 hours.

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  • Djhg2000
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    Originally posted by phoronix_anon View Post
    The replies to those tweets are just fantastic, I guess he/she/it/they/them/qwerty/fizz/buzz/glip/glop/whatever didn't expect the code of conduct to be used both ways by the Linux community. Here's just one of them:

    Lonnie @Lonnie_chadson · 8h



    Replying to @_sagesharp_
    Per the new Linux Code of Conduct, "unacceptable behavior" includes "insulting/derogatory comments" and "personal or political attacks". It seems to me as though calling another contributor a "rape apologist" fits both criteria. Do you have anything to say for yourself?
    There's also a whole heap of users claiming to now be blocked by @_sagesharp_ . If we can keep turning the code of conduct against them like this then I guess it might not be so bad after all.

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  • xiando
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    Originally posted by andrebrait View Post
    I mean, if you go far back in my Facebook timeline you will find stuff that's not so good, views that I don't hold anymore, and doing that like I still hold them would be just dishonest and evil.
    https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/stat...69399596437504
    >The new Code of Conduct explicitly says discrimination and harassment on the basis of sex or gender is not allowed. One Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board member who did not sign off on the patch is Ted Tso, who is a rape apologist:

    Was it hard to see this coming? No, it wasn't. "Diversity consultants" don't have a real job so they spend their time digging through people's histories looking for something they can use to bully people. Here we have one of those worthless people bullying someone for something they supposedly wrote in 2011 - demanding that someone who's contributed huge amounts of quality code goes away now that Linux adopted a CoC in 2018 - seven years later.

    This is what you get by adopting a "code of conduct".

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  • phoronix_anon
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    And the heads begin to to roll: https://mobile.twitter.com/_sageshar...69399596437504

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  • jacob
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    Originally posted by unixfan2001 View Post
    Not sure it was mentioned yet (I'm only on page 14, so far) but is anybody surprised it took less than 24 hours after the announcement for the creator of the CoC to set up a GoFundMe page asking for a cool 10k to develop the Proof-of-Concept for "CoC enforcement/management tools"?

    "We love FOSS, but only if we're paid for it! We deeply, truly believe in mon ... free software!"

    Typical money grab. Wholly foreseeable.
    Rubbish. Stallman's catchphrase about free beer vs free speech may sound like a tired cliche but apparently he hasn't repeated it enough yet. No one has ever said embracing free(dom) software must automatically mean doing it "for free" in your spare time. You *can*, if you want to. You can also run a business based on it.

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  • audir8
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    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    I don't care what you are using especially if it's personal project? People can mock others for whatever they please. If you bring a shit tier language into the Linux kernel, don't demand that others don't mock you for it. That's retarded. Free expression and all.
    You did say this, though the manifesto is general, and not about the kernel. It hasn't been adopted by the kernel devs in any way, so I don't think shit tier languages are going to make it into the kernel anytime soon. Especially when I see adding C++ modules be an April fools joke on the LKML.
    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    No it doesn't, because ethics are subjective. They are not quantifiable. Most people don't share the same ethics and it results in pointless flame wars.

    If you ban someone for wrong ethics that you disagree with, they have to argue with you about it and escalate into flame wars because it's just a matter of opinion, literally. And that's the problem.
    I'm not sure if I've ever agreed 100% with any manifesto, it's not a CoC, it's not guidelines, or law, it's meant to make to you think, and persuade you enough that you might support it. You can take what you want from the subjectivity of "negatively impact the well-being of other people", or just say don't be evil like Google used to. Again, it's a manifesto, you're meant to agree or disagree with it.

    jacob I don't really want to respond to anything you've said, other than to say I might have found the new Godwin's law in the post-trump era: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Orwell approaches 1.

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  • Weasel
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    Originally posted by audir8 View Post
    If you tell me to make a CRUD website with an admin page in an hr. I'm using rails, at least that's my excuse.
    I don't care what you are using especially if it's personal project? People can mock others for whatever they please. If you bring a shit tier language into the Linux kernel, don't demand that others don't mock you for it. That's retarded. Free expression and all.

    Originally posted by audir8 View Post
    If you don't take this literally, it makes sense to actually have some ethics around software development.
    No it doesn't, because ethics are subjective. They are not quantifiable. Most people don't share the same ethics and it results in pointless flame wars.

    If you ban someone for wrong ethics that you disagree with, they have to argue with you about it and escalate into flame wars because it's just a matter of opinion, literally. And that's the problem.

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  • chags
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    Originally posted by euler271 View Post
    Who is 'they'?
    From the same Article, "Sharp, who is nonbinary and uses “they/them” pronouns, confronted Torvalds..."


    Your confusion is the proof for why this "I use the pronouns X/Y" is pure nonsense. How the fuck (BUZZZZ- your message was sent to the CoC enforcement comitee for sexual language), er, how the beeptybopty will someone understand what "they" refers to?


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