Fedora Linux Had Another Innovative Year

[King InuYasha]

That said, the BS argument is "making a free beta for community = bad", in case you missed it.

You got it!

[starshipeleven]

It is not a BS argument, you have simply extended it to other relationships, which in my opinion, as a devout Ubuntu user, is quite valid. Ubuntu non-LTS are for all intents and purposes perpetual beta releases that are meant to act as a testing ground for the LTS releases; same holds true for Open Suse Leap and Tumbleweed verses their Enterprise releases.

FYI OpenSUSE Leap is a "free" version of the latest Enterprise release (and its major versions change with every Enterprise release service pack), like CentOS is a straight free clone of RHEL.

That said, the BS argument is "making a free beta for community = bad", in case you missed it.

[Spooktra]

So when will you hold Canonical and Ubuntu to that standard? It's not a community distro either. It's assembled by Canonical, and they get "free beta testing" out of the "community" with the non-LTS versions for the LTS version.

This is a BS argument.

It is not a BS argument, you have simply extended it to other relationships, which in my opinion, as a devout Ubuntu user, is quite valid. Ubuntu non-LTS are for all intents and purposes perpetual beta releases that are meant to act as a testing ground for the LTS releases; same holds true for Open Suse Leap and Tumbleweed verses their Enterprise releases.

[starshipeleven]

Maybe it's different now (havent used it in years) but I always felt like Fedora was just a way to get free beta testing out of the "community" for Red Hat's enterprise products. Sorry, corporate entities need to learn how to pay for beta testing. There's no free corporate lunch.

Isn't the "you can use this nice updated and polished Linux distro that does not spy you, on whatever systems you want at no additional charge" a valid payment?

[King InuYasha]

Maybe it's different now (havent used it in years) but I always felt like Fedora was just a way to get free beta testing out of the "community" for Red Hat's enterprise products. Sorry, corporate entities need to learn how to pay for beta testing. There's no free corporate lunch.

So when will you hold Canonical and Ubuntu to that standard? It's not a community distro either. It's assembled by Canonical, and they get "free beta testing" out of the "community" with the non-LTS versions for the LTS version.

This is a BS argument.

[andre30correia]

ubuntu 17.10 and the last fedora gnome are the worst distros I can remember

[finalzone]

You are 100% right!!! Fedora has been since day one, and continues to be, a perpetually beta product, it's a testing/proving ground for Red Hat's Enterprise products.

No different from other distributions considered as beta products because they come for their parents. Even closed source commercial operating systems youare using are perpetual beta products.

For proof, just look at this article, Michael claims that 2017 was a huge success for Fedora with "many innovations" yet he doesn't name a single one. An "innovation" is a feature, a change in how things are done, that one product/service has/offers that no one else offers. What are the "innovations" Fedora offers? It finally supports some codecs that other distributions, like Ubuntu, have supported out of the box for years now.

I bite on this one. When it comes to patented codecs, Fedora, sponsored by Red Hat -US largest OSS company - avoided taking a legal risks often overlooked by some posters failing to realize the hard reality of US patents laws to ship them by default and even include in the official repositories. Basically, you asked Fedora to become a large legal target. Even Ubuntu had to abide to patents laws for distribution in the USA.
One of innovations of Fedora was the out-of-box support of hybrid laptops via Gnome shell inspiring other distributions to adopt that approach, Gnome Software which now allows a much easier upgrade path got adopted by Canonical as Software update, first major adoption of Wayland protocol on a traditional desktop environment which keeps on improving. Those are few examples benefiting all free and open source ecosystem.

[dxxvi]

I wish one day Fedora would be a rolling distro.

[Spooktra]

We made the carefully-considered decision that delivering something we weren't proud of would be worse than delivering nothing at all. Fortunately, "nothing at all" was only the back-up plan and we were able to release the non-Modular Server Edition instead, albeit somewhat late.

So that means you were "proud" of Fedora 25? 26? 27? The respins, including the ones with KDE? Either you guys have a very unique definition of "proud" or the bar is very low at Fedora.

As for "we maintain a level of excellence in what we deliver that few others in the technology space (not just Linux distros) would dare attempt", that is just too funny for words. You really consider Fedora the premiere desktop OS offering? I'd like to know where you purchased your Reality Distortion Field from and do they offer financing?

[Spooktra]

I'd like to challenge the use of the word "botched" to describe Fedora not shipping Modular Server for Fedora 27. This was not a botch. We had something ready to go for a final release that passed all of our traditional formal release criteria... but we weren't satisfied with it.

Then I submit to you that your "traditional formal release criteria is in and of itself botched".