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As an Ubuntu diehard since Warty, I see the future looking very dim. Canonical has always struggled to maintain custom contributions. It was always laughable to think that Mir would be a smart play. Not only does Canonical lack the DNA to support such a crucial layer in the desktop stack, it's a layer that requires widespread standardization and agreement. How could Canonical think they'd have buy-in from hardware vendors? It's enough of a struggle to get Nvidia and AMD to support Xorg as it is.
The smartphone initiative was always doomed, but I actually respect Canonical's shift to "convergence" and touch. Even though the result has been stagnant improvement to the desktop in about 4 years, I expect hybrid devices to be the norm going forward. We'll likely see Macbooks with touchscreens soon. Also the tablet space could really benefit from a true Free alternative to Android. As much as I like Android, Google is clearing trending away from user freedom. Ubuntu could occupy that role, but it's not looking good.
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Originally posted by finalzone View PostGnome already has Wayland protocol implemented long time ago with some unresolved bugs . Fedora has login screen using GDM Wayland by default since 21 and recently set Gnome Wayland session as default for 25 release.
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Originally posted by thebishop View PostAs an Ubuntu diehard since Warty, I see the future looking very dim. Canonical has always struggled to maintain custom contributions. It was always laughable to think that Mir would be a smart play.
Ubuntu needs to become its own desktop environment to survive, or Canonical needs to start working together with Gnome closer.
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Originally posted by bazen View Post
Yes, for 25 release. It isn't even out yet in stable form. And Gnome is farther ahead than everyone else.
XWayland on the other hand, that maybe a little unstable here and there, but it's getting pretty close. I'll have to test out 1.19 when F25 comes out to see how it's come along.
I'm told SDL is pretty stable with Wayland, though I have yet to test it myself.
As for KDE and the rest, it's only a matter of time. Once people start adopting Wayland, there will be a stronger push to port everything else. Mir won't be so fortunate due to a lack of developers adopting it.
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Originally posted by Mystro256 View Post
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Wayland is stable, just some of the implementations are not stable yet. As for GNOME, the open bugs are just missing features and whatnot, nothing critical. I personally only have one blocking bug before I jump on board.
XWayland on the other hand, that maybe a little unstable here and there, but it's getting pretty close. I'll have to test out 1.19 when F25 comes out to see how it's come along.
I'm told SDL is pretty stable with Wayland, though I have yet to test it myself.
As for KDE and the rest, it's only a matter of time. Once people start adopting Wayland, there will be a stronger push to port everything else. Mir won't be so fortunate due to a lack of developers adopting it.
For example, if I were an Ubuntu user, and I want to run Mir with updated Mesa and updated xMir, I first need to patch xserver to feature support for xMir. Then I need to patch Mesa to build for Mir as an EGL backend. And who knows what other stuff needs patching as well? Existing X dependencies? GTK? Gnome 3? KDE?
And downstream patches are always slower; upstream is rarely ever onboard with day-1 support for new hardware, so expect downstream patches to take much longer.
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