The State Of Debian's Paid Long Term Support Project

[dungeon]

Perhaps. But I didn't look back that far. The last 2 1/2 years in r600g history is a long time. It was damn good then and has gotten better since then.

Yeah r600 can be better now, but there can be some regressions too. And fglrx also moved from that time results

[duby229]

Qaridarium asked on moment where r600 surprassed fglrx AFAIU He quoted this:

Perhaps. But I didn't look back that far. The last 2 1/2 years in r600g history is a long time. It was damn good then and has gotten better since then.

[dungeon]

That article is two and a half years old.

Qaridarium asked on moment where r600 surprassed fglrx AFAIU He quoted this, so i think he is interested to see when that happened

Actually the truth is r600g surpassed Catalyst in performance long before radeonsi surpassed.

Look at recent gputest benches on similar hardware and then compare to the gputest results in that article and you can clearly see one example of how much improvement has been made since then.

I am not interesting to prove nothing, and Qaridarium asked about recent game results in comparison to fglrx, not quake3 and particulary not gputest, or so

[duby229]

There is no link as such, duby229 saw bombastic title once and think that is final .., Really, it is infinite game of catch up to fglrx as far as i remember and i remember a lot sometimes it touched perf in some cases for some asics and sometimes is nowhere near:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...4gallium&num=1

But soon after, fglrx boosted it again as there is no definitive peformance for them too so if you have it once in one or couple cases, that is not really final story

That article is two and a half years old. Look at recent gputest benches on similar hardware and then compare to the gputest results in that article and you can clearly see one example of how much improvement has been made since then.

But yeah, I agree with Micheal that was roughly about the tipping point timescale.

[dungeon]

can you show me an article about this? maybe i just lag on informations.

also please no quake3 tests some modern games please.

There is no link as such, duby229 saw bombastic title once and think that is final .., Really, it is infinite game of catch up to fglrx as far as i remember and i remember a lot sometimes it touched perf in some cases for some asics and sometimes is nowhere near:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...4gallium&num=1

But soon after, fglrx boosted it again as there is no definitive peformance for them too so if you have it once in one or couple cases, that is not really final story

[duby229]

can you show me an article about this? maybe i just lag on informations.

also please no quake3 tests some modern games please.

You know just as well as I do that a lot of games depend on gl4.3 so a lot of recent games don't launch. But that is not the point I was trying to make. That will improve once fp64 gets an adequate solution. Admittedly many of the games that do run are idtech2 titles, but Steam has quite a few Unity3d engine games and custom engine games that run just fine anyways. Most of them will run at many hundreds of FPS at default settings.

I did search google for r600g benchmarks within the last year, Phoronix benches are as you say, and many many other links back to phoronix. Youtube has many r600g benchmark recordings, but I just don't have the patience for video benchmarks.

(and I have no clue how to navigate openbenchmarking.org, stumped)

[dungeon]

Unless of course your a gamer and tune the game to get close to your monitors refresh rate, at which point the OSS drivers perform at a higher configuration. But I guess wasting hundreds of frames per second is a good thing in your mind.

"Benchmarks speak louder than your words"

[duby229]

Indeed, run slower Xonotic benchmark on opensource driver and enjoy

Unless of course your a gamer and tune the game to get close to your monitors refresh rate, at which point the OSS drivers perform at a higher configuration. But I guess wasting hundreds of frames per second is a good thing in your mind.

[dungeon]

Benchmarks speak louder than your words.

Indeed, run slower Xonotic benchmark on opensource driver and enjoy

[duby229]

Truth is somewhere in between AFAIR back in 2004. when RH devs figured out HyperZ for the first time, radeon surpassed fglrx too in some cases But not for long and situation is now similar to that

Benchmarks speak louder than your words.

EDIT: So far your tactic is to mention ancient circumstances. 2001, 2004 was a hell of a long time ago in computer science. You might as well be talking about Hellenistic Greeks.