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  • Libertine: Allowing X11 Debian Packages To Run On The Next-Gen Ubuntu Desktop

    Phoronix: Libertine: Allowing X11 Debian Packages To Run On The Next-Gen Ubuntu Desktop

    Stephen Webb of Canonical has written about the company's latest project, Libertine. Libertine is their new project for allowing legacy X11-focused Debian packages to run on their next-gen converged desktop with Unity 8, Mir, and Snap packages...

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...rtine-Snap-X11

  • #2
    I would rather have .deb and Wayland instead of Mir and Snap.

    Snap packages are huge, it pulls in a gigabyte of redundant dependencies.

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    • #3
      That is a good idea for legacy apps the day Mir launch.
      But what about Wayland specific apps? Do they run natively on Mir?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by uid313 View Post
        I would rather have .deb and Wayland instead of Mir and Snap.

        Snap packages are huge, it pulls in a gigabyte of redundant dependencies.
        Yeah, but I do believe containers are the future.... But the way Canonical is going about getting there is to disenfranchise the userbase that got them this far.... So dumb.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by uid313 View Post
          I would rather have .deb and Wayland instead of Mir and Snap.

          Snap packages are huge, it pulls in a gigabyte of redundant dependencies.
          I'm half certain most of the differences between mir and wayland will be handled by middleware like sdl, gtk, or qt.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by uid313 View Post
            I would rather have .deb and Wayland instead of Mir and Snap.

            Snap packages are huge, it pulls in a gigabyte of redundant dependencies.
            Snap does not have the benefit of runtimes. However, the wasted size is not in the gigabyte. That was just the Snap Libreoffice having debug information as well. This was intentionally done to help QA. Flatpak is still way better due to having and encouraging runtimes, by default support for additional data (debug info and so on), NO restrictive CLA which unlike any other CLA gives unique advantage to Canonical over any other contributor, NO requirement to use a proprietary 'store', etc.

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            • #7
              On topic: Firefox still assumes X11 when running on Linux-like operating systems. Or in other words: despite being ported to GTK+3.x, it still needs XWayland instead of Wayland. If it does not run under Wayland, then also Mir is problematic. A webbrowser not really part of your operating system seems a bit odd.

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              • #8
                Snap packages minus debug compare to size of Flatpak, Libreoffice is same size as Flatpak.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bkor View Post

                  Snap does not have the benefit of runtimes. However, the wasted size is not in the gigabyte. That was just the Snap Libreoffice having debug information as well. This was intentionally done to help QA. Flatpak is still way better due to having and encouraging runtimes, by default support for additional data (debug info and so on), NO restrictive CLA which unlike any other CLA gives unique advantage to Canonical over any other contributor, NO requirement to use a proprietary 'store', etc.
                  http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/06/2...wn-snap-store/

                  Snaps dont need a proprietary store, you can create your own.

                  Snapd has also been adopted in main Arch repository and Fedora COPR repository.

                  Libertine is also coming to Ubuntu phones, that will enable users to run X applications on the phone, I am looking forward to that
                  Last edited by Cerberus; 05 July 2016, 08:57 AM.

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                  • #10
                    AFAIC debs/rpms are still the best solution for distro packages whereas Snaps and Flatpaks are a fine solution for 3rd party, cross-distro packages.

                    Why is it they are so obsessed with using the same <driving tool> for all <fasteners>???

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