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Fedora 24 Beta Looks Nice, But Will They Ever Stop Mucking Up Anaconda?

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  • #11
    I have upgraded all but one of my laptops/workstations using https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade. I am surprised how stable the system works for me. Good job!

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    • #12
      Originally posted by linuxjacques View Post
      "On some setups, installing Fedora over existing firmware or software RAID can cause anaconda to crash. The crash itself messes the disks a little and renders the RAID unusable."
      This is overstated and I will ask someone to correct it. The specific configuration is that if you try to create a RAID array during setup on a system that has an existing RAID configuration using the drives from that previous RAID array, the newly-created one gets produced incorrectly and is unusable (and of course, the one you deleted is no longer there).

      The common bug makes it sound like it will destroy a RAID array that wasn't already selected for replacement, which is not the case. (There's no way at all we'd have let that out the door!)

      Regarding the common bugs page, that's a little out of date because the person who usually maintains it is on vacation this week (unfortunate timing due to last week's schedule slip).

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Michael View Post

        That system has no RAID form of any kind.

        Huh, then you definitely struck a bug none of us caught in testing. I hope you will please file a BZ so we make sure it gets fixed for Final release.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
          Sounds like you work for RH?
          One thing that I would strongly suggest for anaconda, if you fixed THIS, it would really help everyone overlook whatever bugs there are.... don't bail out on the first sign of error!!!! The most frustrating part of the new anaconda is that whenever ANY stupid thing goes wrong, it completely gives up and wants a reboot.
          Well, this is kinda on purpose - many installations run on systems with existing user data:
          - dual boot install
          - home reuse
          - existing data volumes
          - flash drives with data connected during installation
          -etc.

          So Anaconda tries very hard to avoid any unintended data loss - this includes aborting due to any storage related errors and situations the storage code can't safely handle, as in this case.

          Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
          Even restarting just anaconda would be an improvement, or preferably, go back a step when something bad happens.
          I don't think restarting would help much - in most cases (eq. not a race condition) you would just get the same crash over and over again.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by MartinK View Post
            Well, this is kinda on purpose - many installations run on systems with existing user data:
            - dual boot install
            - home reuse
            - existing data volumes
            - flash drives with data connected during installation
            -etc.

            So Anaconda tries very hard to avoid any unintended data loss - this includes aborting due to any storage related errors and situations the storage code can't safely handle, as in this case.
            Whether you correct the issue now or harass the user by forcing them to reboot 17 times (several of which are repeats in order to catch the bios boot menu..) while taking the same risk is irrelevant.

            I don't think restarting would help much - in most cases (eq. not a race condition) you would just get the same crash over and over again.
            If that were true, then I am currently working from an imaginary computer running an imaginary installation of F24-alpha, and my other machines are ALL running imaginary installations of F22 or F23. Which is clearly not the case since my imagination wouldn't impact what YOU are reading here. Reboot, try again with different package selection, now it works. Or craps out on disk stuff, while it is harassing you to reboot, jump to terminal and dd a bunch of zeros over the start of some disk, rather than an option to try again now that the disks are cleaned up, we have no option besides that button that makes it reboot. I *ALWAYS* have to go through a few tries where it boots me out that way before it actually installs.

            It is frustrating as hell trying to install Fedora.

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            • #16
              Will Fedora / Red Hat developers ever stop constantly changing Anaconda? I don't recall any other distribution installer where I've come across so many fatal install problems with it over the years, it seems to routinely be one of the common causes for having to delay Fedora releases, etc.


              I love Fedora because it's only place you can get a good version of Gnome. But good god is installing it the most frustrating thing on Earth, especially if you have a HBA.
              Last edited by kaczu; 11 May 2016, 12:56 AM.

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              • #17
                a few releases ago I was trying to install it on a machine which had been already set up with mirrored drives, and I wanted it to simply reformat the old root and boot partitions but not the /home (although I'd backed it up).
                it absolutely refused to do that, and even when I tried deleting the mirrors manually to let anaconda create them, I got stuck. I raised a bug report but didn't get very far. In the end I had to do a very hacky work-round which was not something I'd expect anyone fairly new to Linux to achieve.

                once working, I found Fedora to be quite good, but there's no way I could recommend it to anyone who was new to Linux unless they had someone to help them install it.

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                • #18
                  that said, I recently needed to reinstall my laptop running openSuse. although I told it not to, their installer totally trashed both the hard drives in my computer - the primary 128GB SSD, and the 1TB secondary spinner - it created entirely new partition tables losing everything. Luckily, being my laptop there wasn't anything on it I cared too much about.

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                  • #19
                    Arch has the best installer of all.

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                    • #20
                      Nope, Gentoo has the best installer.

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