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  • Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Is Continuing To Prep ZFS Support

    Phoronix: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Is Continuing To Prep ZFS Support

    Back in October we heard Ubuntu was planning for better ZFS support and to make it part of the distribution's "standard offering." Work in that direction has continued to advance for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS...

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...r-Ubuntu-16.04

  • #2
    I am pretty certain that Sun said that they deliberately chose a non-GPL compatible license because they didn't want the code to compete with their products in Linux.

    Has something changed? It seems a little off to go against the Copyright owner's wishes. Sure ZFS may be great stuff, but Sun wanted to use it to sell Solaris with a feature that wasn't available in Linux. There's nothing wrong with that as they paid for the research and development...

    Maybe this effort would be better concentrated on improving BTRFS or EXT? Unless Oracle has specifically okayed it?

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    • #3
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc This will clarify a lot about the license choice.

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      • #4
        Okay, the forum is being weird. All of a sudden I was logged out and now none of the buttons for creating a post work. The edit button for previous posts is borked as well. Anyway, skip to 23 minutes into the video to get to the juicy part.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by OneTimeShot View Post
          I am pretty certain that Sun said that they deliberately chose a non-GPL compatible license because they didn't want the code to compete with their products in Linux.

          Has something changed? It seems a little off to go against the Copyright owner's wishes. Sure ZFS may be great stuff, but Sun wanted to use it to sell Solaris with a feature that wasn't available in Linux. There's nothing wrong with that as they paid for the research and development...

          Maybe this effort would be better concentrated on improving BTRFS or EXT? Unless Oracle has specifically okayed it?
          Nothing has really changed re: the license, but this effort isn't really dependent on getting ZFS into the mainline kernel.

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          • #6
            Please fix the title - it's not called ZFS anymore. It's OpenZFS. ZFS (closed, developed by Oracle) is essentially a different and incompatible filesystem now.

            Originally posted by OneTimeShot View Post
            I am pretty certain that Sun said that they deliberately chose a non-GPL compatible license because they didn't want the code to compete with their products in Linux.
            No, it is not the case and it was explained many times by actual Sun engineers. It was just an unfortunate development caused by technical needs (like allowing closed drivers).

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            • #7
              Additionally, there's no support in Ubuntu's Ubiquity graphical installer for setting up an easy ZFS-based system.


              You mean ATM, or that there will never be support for this in 16.04?

              Please fix the title - it's not called ZFS anymore. It's OpenZFS. ZFS (closed, developed by Oracle) is essentially a different and incompatible filesystem now.


              That just makes no sense. OpenZFS is an implementation of ZFS. That's like saying Ubuntu supports NTFS-3G instead of NTFS. If you wanna be that much of a [email protected], you might instead say that "Ubuntu is preparing to support ZFS via OpenZFS", or "Ubuntu is preparing to support ZFS (Zpool version 5000)". Still, noone gives a flying f*ck really, it's totally not the point of the article.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by shmerl View Post
                [...] It's OpenZFS. ZFS (closed, developed by Oracle) is essentially a different and incompatible filesystem now.
                Thank you, Shmerl, we have to be aware that e.g. a device formated using OpenZFS may not work using ZFS from Oracle and vice versa.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by anarki2 View Post
                  That's like saying Ubuntu supports NTFS-3G instead of NTFS.
                  Does NTFS-3G also have bug fixes and new features incompatible with Microsoft's implementation of NTFS?

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                  • #10
                    yet another (doomed to fail) attempt to differentiate from the others, instead of contribute to the whole ecosystem. BTRFS is getting quite good nowadays, go with it.

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