Manjaro 15.09 Released, Provides Calamares Install Option

[flecht]

Hello.
At first, I wanted to write a long essay here, but decided against it, as it would only add fuel to the fire.

Simply speaking:

• I'm biased and I don't really like package management in Debian/*buntu.
• IMHO you should give a thought to the reasons why this "unofficial, unsupported helper utility" won't allow you to compile and build your packages as root.
• Packages are signed for reason. If package manager blocks package signed with unrecognized key, don't blame package manager ?– it's doing its job.

That said, I hope you are a happy *buntu user. It's a good piece of software, but I just don't like it.
Have a nice day.

[prodigy_]

Funny that I consider PPAs a real pain to deal with and I like simplicity of AUR. To each his own.

Adding a PPA is one command and then you can install and update packages from it with apt-get. With AUR you have two options: a) do everything manually (if I wanted to, I'd use Windows) or b) use an unofficial, unsupported helper utility that won't work as root (because Arch doesn't allow it) and won't install the package you tell it to install (for some b......t reason like not recognizing the key the package is signed with). Hello? Guys, I'm not trying to hack Pentagon servers here, I just want to install a package on my own freaking computer. Hello?

[pjezek]

Manjaro would be OK if it was based on Debian, Ubuntu or any other sane distro. Unfortunately it's based on Arch which means you have to use AUR for everything that isn't in the official Arch repos and AUR is a real pain.

For those wrong introduced with AUR packaging in the frame of what Manjaro developers tell users as being guaranted by them, anything in AUR used for Manjaro is painful. Better would be to tell us what apps lacks in official Manjaro repos to prevent changing to not optimized AUR packages for Manjaro.

[flecht]

You can't really compare the AUR versus PPAs.

I know it's silly, but I just did that. I even think it's as silly, as complaining about Manjaro being Arch based.

PPA's should be compared with the unofficial repo list, wheras AUR is a list of packages that you can build, commonly from source.

I also like AUR, but I have to admit that PPAs are easier to use. PPAs are easier to use than Arch repositories, as there is a toolset that you can use that will enable them and make sure that the keys are installed and everything. AUR's advantages are really width/breadth, and the fact that it is a single repository which makes package version collisions less likely.

Of course, I know PPAs have their own merits. However, I think AUR is really convenient ?– one repository to rule them all.

On the other hand, I might be simply prejudiced against Debian/*buntu.

[jaxxed]

Funny that I consider PPAs a real pain to deal with and I like simplicity of AUR. To each his own.

You can't really compare the AUR versus PPAs. PPA's should be compared with the unofficial repo list, wheras AUR is a list of packages that you can build, commonly from source.

I also like AUR, but I have to admit that PPAs are easier to use. PPAs are easier to use than Arch repositories, as there is a toolset that you can use that will enable them and make sure that the keys are installed and everything. AUR's advantages are really width/breadth, and the fact that it is a single repository which makes package version collisions less likely.

[flecht]

AUR is a real pain.

Funny that I consider PPAs a real pain to deal with and I like simplicity of AUR. To each his own.

[prodigy_]

Manjaro would be OK if it was based on Debian, Ubuntu or any other sane distro. Unfortunately it's based on Arch which means you have to use AUR for everything that isn't in the official Arch repos and AUR is a real pain.

[2ezhi]

It's year since I moved to Manjaro from Ubuntu and not regretting it.

[staggerlee]

I'm using this release right now and it runs great. Manjaro rocks!!!

If I can choose disk encryption at install time (via a simple checkbox, and not have to drop to manual install), then I'd consider giving it a shot. If I recall right, this is what prevented me from trying Manjaro in the past, but I could be mistaken.

Edit: Was mistaken; was thinking of Mageia