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  • Luke
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    If antigay bigots don't like systemd

    Originally posted by dungeon View Post
    True reason is: Gnome became linux worst decease and it is for about 5 years Those admins remember things... i believe it started here:

    http://www.mail-archive.com/foundati.../msg04036.html

    That is what i think, around month later De Icaza get award from Microsoft 2 years later he say Linux is killed by Apple, one year later he use (Mac) OS_X.

    In the meantime only gays left around Gnome and it is imposibile to argue with those, that is why people getting sick - it is not just systemd, it is Gnome Foundation - place where gays have full command
    If antigay bigots hate systemd, that is a reason TO use Systemd in my judgement, and also confirms my judgement that systemd's devs are being bullied. Look at the damage this bullying has done to Debian. This post also makes me want to switch my session back to GNOME3 with the "window list" extension, except that purely technical issues mean MATE fits my workflow better on big, high-powered desktops. I've spent the last few days fine tuning my "UbuntuStudio-Legacy" theme for GTK3. Oh well, at least this bullying hasn't driven people to suicide like the antigay harassment in the schools is known to do. Once again I am proud to stand with those being victimized by hate.
    Last edited by Luke; 18 November 2014, 11:56 PM.

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  • eidolon
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    I see little reason to be hopeful that people will move forward, but the voting is at an end.

    https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_initcoupling/

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  • makomk
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    Originally posted by demosthenese View Post
    Choice was never a problem for the last 18 years - it was sysV or sysV. Why is having the choice of a plethora of init systems so important now?
    For the past decade or so you certainly could switch to a different init system. Nothing much depended on the particular init system you chose other than init scripts, and those are all LSB-compliant in Debian these days anyway. Actually taking advantage of this was a bit of a niche activity requiring out-of-tree packages - at least if you don't count the switch to upstart in Ubuntu and to systemd in Debian, and you probably should count those because they wouldn't be practical if Debian were tightly locked to a single init - but it was definitely possible. For a while I actually ran an experimental init replacement under Gentoo that had more in common with systemd than sysV, and I know there were Debian users of it too.

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  • Stauffen
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    Originally posted by Stauffen View Post
    Then the other kernels should be treated as experiments and must not interfere with the main development notably the Linux kernel version. In reality, Debian is Linux distribution due to high concentration of manpower compared to other kernels like kfreebsd and hurd.
    Thanks for the county but I read it too, (over 16 hours) and I already have formed an opinion and I think it's good the way that Debian now. Nice talking with you.[/QUOTE]



    I mean, with Debian boot system options.

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  • Stauffen
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    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    The option is still available. As a favour, please visit http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ and inform yourself about systemd rather than going on a random website. Try it yourself and make your own conclusion.
    Then the other kernels should be treated as experiments and must not interfere with the main development notably the Linux kernel version. In reality, Debian is Linux distribution due to high concentration of manpower compared to other kernels like kfreebsd and hurd.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for the county but I read it too, (over 16 hours) and I already have formed an opinion and I think it's good the way that Debian now. Nice talking with you.

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  • dungeon
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    Originally posted by erendorn View Post
    What would being gay have to do with arguing or managing a foundation? (regardless of the actual number of gay people there)
    Nothing just said what i think happens there and that is why people not involved in Gnome complain like that.

    I will help preserve our way of life if I can.
    Last edited by dungeon; 23 October 2014, 04:26 AM.

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  • erendorn
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    Originally posted by dungeon View Post
    In the meantime only gays left around Gnome and it is imposibile to argue with those, that is why people getting sick - it is not just systemd, it is Gnome Foundation - place where gays have full command
    What would being gay have to do with arguing or managing a foundation? (regardless of the actual number of gay people there)

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  • dungeon
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    Originally posted by Alejandro Nova View Post
    The truest reason behind all the hate against systemd.
    True reason is: Gnome became linux worst decease and it is for about 5 years Those admins remember things... i believe it started here:

    http://www.mail-archive.com/foundati.../msg04036.html

    That is what i think, around month later De Icaza get award from Microsoft 2 years later he say Linux is killed by Apple, one year later he use (Mac) OS_X.

    In the meantime only gays left around Gnome and it is imposibile to argue with those, that is why people getting sick - it is not just systemd, it is Gnome Foundation - place where gays have full command
    Last edited by dungeon; 23 October 2014, 03:51 AM.

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  • finalzone
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    Originally posted by Stauffen View Post
    I am not against systemd but what I do not like is the option to take I do not use it.
    The option is still available. As a favour, please visit http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ and inform yourself about systemd rather than going on a random website. Try it yourself and make your own conclusion.

    I really like Debian because of the universality, (too many kernel ...) and do not want to fork but I do not want to change the characteristics of the project.
    [/quote]
    Then the other kernels should be treated as experiments and must not interfere with the main development notably the Linux kernel version. In reality, Debian is Linux distribution due to high concentration of manpower compared to other kernels like kfreebsd and hurd.

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  • Alejandro Nova
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    The truest reason behind all the hate against systemd.

    Originally posted by debianfork.org
    Hi. I'm a professional Unix and Linux systems admin. I work at Magellan Healthcare in the operations department. My title is Senior System Administrator. I've been doing this job at various places of employment for 19 years. I've been involved with Unix since 1988. I have a beard. It is quite gray. Please keep me in the loop on the Debian fork. I will help preserve our way of life if I can.

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