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  • justmy2cents
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    Originally posted by AdamW View Post
    too troll; didn't read
    you wanted to prove my point about fedora "can't hear ya" and "we know better"? #.#' watch video i posted link for and then figure out why fedora is losing people. whole FOSDEM session could be summarised in "please, give us feedback" and "lalalala, we know better so stfu pleaser".

    FYI, me and most friends were running fedora from start. more or less we all moved to korora. but, based on how F.N. is moving that will probably change too since for ?community? project you're damn picky on what community is

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  • justmy2cents
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    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Useless for you, you mean, because of your dislike of Gnome Shell past 3.6.
    yep, that is when insanity started. they basically started crapping on every other DE and crapping on everything but gnome at that point. hell, even Gtk only has future in fork for non gnome people.

    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Have you tried them before jumping to the conclusion?
    no shit sherlock. part of my job is evaluation for next corporate desktop, where plan was in motion for quite a while. originally, it was decided to be gnome3. but, after post 3.6 insanity where everything breaks and goes bellow phone app usability, no one (users) wants to hear gnome anymore. it basically set up whole thing back on planning board and put in question whole linux plan simply because if desktop can break so badly in .x releases, wtf happens on full version?

    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Thanks a lot for insulting some professional users running on that DE showing down. Now, have you paid these desktop environments developers to do these tasks? No?
    actually, yea. not only do i have few RHEL subscriptions my self (not that i need them, i wanted to give back some), i'm also working on migrating +100 people company on linux, where big part is played on few (now) gtk apps that have to run on all big 3 platforms just in case. move with one most crucial condition, there must be commercial support. while second is good multilingual support, where shell fails in cataclysmic proportions unless one goes into trouble of extensions.

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  • AdamW
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    Originally posted by strcat View Post
    Rawhide will often be tracking the development releases of the version that's eventually going to land in the stable release, so you're exposed to more upstream problems. Most projects still lack good test suites or don't do any testing at all, and the churn of the development branches/releases is painful. The Linux kernel is a pretty good example... hardware-specific regressions are common because it would be very hard to test everything, and it's nice to let other people find these for you in the earlier release candidates and first stable release .

    Arch's testing repositories only get the latest stable release of GNOME and the kernel, with the first or second point release being the one moved to the stable repositories. Unstable releases are released a separate gnome-unstable repository. It's not an enormous difference, but I do run into far fewer issues in Arch compared to Debian Sid (probably due to heavy patching) and Rawhide.
    There usually aren't many interdependencies between the kernel and the running system. It's usually reasonably OK to run a Rawhide kernel on the current stable release if you want to try a new kernel, or the current stable release kernel on Rawhide if you have a problem with the dev kernel. There are exceptions, and you probably can't go nuts and run 3.2 on Rawhide or something, but broadly speaking it's viable.

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  • AdamW
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    Originally posted by justmy2cents View Post
    so, they'll destroy 20 too, then. time to find another distro even before .next hits i guess. and it is really sad when this happens after being faithful user for 20 releases into evolution. mind i was also avid gnome user until 3.6

    as much as i was enthusiastic about Fedora.Next on first information, initial hype in me started dying when i dug more into it. even just watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOFud4cgtV0 or reading mailing lists speaks enough. no matter how much they pretend to be community distro, one thing is sure as hell, they don't don't care what community wants, period. even in video, talker tries to initiate community feedback, where it does nothing but saying "nah, we know better" or "we don't care about that". same as fscked up gnome mentality

    and here is food for thought if any Fedora.Next involved person reads it, coz i'd really want to hear answer. it is said that Workstation should be developers desktop. so, how come....
    - default desktop comes with singular most useless DE for any developer where applications are as powerful as most phone apps and still degrading?
    - DE HIG and application HIG clashes in so many ways it is not possible to imagine in worst Hall of Shame ( sadly, this starts making sense http://interfacehallofshame.eu/www.i....com/shame.htm more than F.N)
    - DE takes care to slow developer down as much as possible with useless functions that look cool in some morons head

    Fedora is really going Canonical way. Canonical has CLA, Fedora has "can't hear ya". hell, even Canonical realized some ideas might not be as good as imagined http://arstechnica.com/information-t...ation-windows/

    p.s. i hope it's obvious why F.N. won't see my computer and this will provide some food for thougt
    too troll; didn't read

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  • AdamW
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    Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
    Fedora rather needs something like the Arch User Repository. I always felt like software availability and discovery is especially bad on Fedora. Nobody wants to hunt down RPMs and RPM Fusion just dosen't cut it. I don't want to look in a thousand places to find my stuff. On Arch if it's not in place A (official repos) it's in place B (AUR) and it's nice centralized, searchable, you can leave comments, vote, get notified about future comments, super easy to contribute and install software from.
    http://copr.fedoraproject.org/

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  • AdamW
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    Originally posted by strcat View Post
    It's not kept in a usable state. It's not even as stable as the Arch Linux testing repositories because it's treated as a staging ground.
    That's putting it rather too strongly. I've been running Rawhide on my desktop since F20 was released. There are several other Fedora devs who do this, and we keep at least the bits we use working pretty well.

    It's not a stable release, and I wouldn't recommend most people use it, but saying it's 'not in a usable state' is going too far.

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  • monraaf
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    Originally posted by justmy2cents View Post
    ok, that must be joke, lol. Gnome... OS? dear god, how is that supposed to work? in order to have OS you need more than note taker and few useless applications. gnome obviously doesn't want those since their HIG and desktop specs are taken right out from their ass. as it is now, you can't even run gnome software under anything else than gnome without complete WTF? and running anything else in gnome feels obvious like ET in strip joint. i wouldn't imagine my apps respecting one single Gnome HIG nonsense, way off applications like LibreOffice, Chrome or Firefox

    btw, don't keep your hopes up. Fedora users are declining rapidly and with their last incentive to distance other desktops declining will be even faster. damn lot of fedora users are flocking to korora, but, i sense that will be just temporary
    About GNOME OS, it is just an idea.
    Well I don't care much what distro is under the hood as long as it is new, stable and offers pure GNOME experience. I think that KDE looks bloated, crowded and ugly but I don't participate in subjects about KDE because I don't care. Hatred is not good for anyone. If you don't like it, ignore it, it is not for you. Let them enjoy. I only care about things I like and about things that make me happy. Why do we need to have useless and ugly space-wasting titlebars for decades in every single OS in The Universe? Why do we need a start button with a little menu in the corner of the screen? Is it written in the Bible? I like innovation and experimentation. I'm sure that hundreds of years from now operating systems will look and behave radically different. The sooner the better. I don't want a free replica of Windows. I want something exciting and original that has been rethought from the ground up. Traditional desktops are getting boring. GNOME 3 is a huge success! I always like to see what are they going to do next.

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  • finalzone
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    Originally posted by justmy2cents View Post
    - default desktop comes with singular most useless DE for any developer where applications are as powerful as most phone apps and still degrading?
    Useless for you, you mean, because of your dislike of Gnome Shell past 3.6.
    - DE HIG and application HIG clashes in so many ways it is not possible to imagine in worst Hall of Shame ( sadly, this starts making sense http://interfacehallofshame.eu/www.i....com/shame.htm more than F.N)
    Have you tried them before jumping to the conclusion?
    - DE takes care to slow developer down as much as possible with useless functions that look cool in some morons head
    Thanks a lot for insulting some professional users running on that DE showing down. Now, have you paid these desktop environments developers to do these tasks? No?

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  • sarmad
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    Originally posted by justmy2cents View Post
    ok, that must be joke, lol. Gnome... OS? dear god, how is that supposed to work? in order to have OS you need more than note taker and few useless applications. gnome obviously doesn't want those since their HIG and desktop specs are taken right out from their ass. as it is now, you can't even run gnome software under anything else than gnome without complete WTF? and running anything else in gnome feels obvious like ET in strip joint. i wouldn't imagine my apps respecting one single Gnome HIG nonsense, way off applications like LibreOffice, Chrome or Firefox

    btw, don't keep your hopes up. Fedora users are declining rapidly and with their last incentive to distance other desktops declining will be even faster. damn lot of fedora users are flocking to korora, but, i sense that will be just temporary
    GnomeOS is just a codename, it's not really an OS.

    https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeOS/

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  • justmy2cents
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    Originally posted by monraaf View Post
    I'm glad that Fedora will provide latest GNOME updates. Fedora is my favorite distribution because it offers the best vanilla GNOME experience out of the box without any modifications. At some point there might be GNOME OS but GNOME is still under construction. Until that point, Fedra will be number one for GNOME users.
    ok, that must be joke, lol. Gnome... OS? dear god, how is that supposed to work? in order to have OS you need more than note taker and few useless applications. gnome obviously doesn't want those since their HIG and desktop specs are taken right out from their ass. as it is now, you can't even run gnome software under anything else than gnome without complete WTF? and running anything else in gnome feels obvious like ET in strip joint. i wouldn't imagine my apps respecting one single Gnome HIG nonsense, way off applications like LibreOffice, Chrome or Firefox

    btw, don't keep your hopes up. Fedora users are declining rapidly and with their last incentive to distance other desktops declining will be even faster. damn lot of fedora users are flocking to korora, but, i sense that will be just temporary
    Last edited by justmy2cents; 02-21-2014, 02:33 PM.

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