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  • Aleve Sicofante
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    I just read throughout the whole thread. Wow. Just wow.

    I understand Phoronix is about benchmarks, mostly, and that might (might) excuse the ignorance on UI/UX design displayed all over the place here. However, if I was so ignorant about a given matter, I would stay silent. You won't read any comment by me on benchmarking or compiling, for instance.

    There's a lot of healthy discussion about this new Unity feature in most other places I visit regularly. It's sad to see the state of this forums.

    Thanks God most people posting their diatribes against Unity here are not designing user interfaces... Pfew.

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  • Aleve Sicofante
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    Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post


    I think I've proven my point
    Maybe you should keep thinking then. Your hideous KDE setup can't even start to compare to the Ubuntu layout, but more importantly you're comparing apples to oranges. You could save a lot of space by removing everything, but then you can't compare that to Unity or any useful UI.

    Unity global menu saves vertical space when compared to the same layout without global menu. That's a fact even if it's beyond your understanding.

    There are other ways of saving vertical space and you have shown your own peculiar disaster of an UI to prove it. KDE also saves space by ignoring the notion of "padding" or "white space" (KDE ignores a lot of UI/UX basics). That doesn't negate the above fact: Unity's global menu does save space when compared with the same layout wihtout the global menu, which, by the way, is the only logically acceptable comparison.

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  • Aleve Sicofante
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    Originally posted by who_me View Post
    You seem not to understand how this menu works.

    When the window is not minimized you remove the menubar and move it to the top. In the actual application window you now have the space that was occupied previously by the menu bar.

    When the window is maximized, in a normal DE, you'd get the title bar+menu bar. In Unity, the title bar becomes the menu bar, thus you save that bit of space which would be occupied by the title bar.

    And no, it's not the same as on Mac OS X. The title bar of the window will be there when the window is maximized, so they (Apple) *do* waste space.
    Thanks for saving me the effort. I was getting tired of reading the nonsense that the Unity global menu doesn't save space when it's so obvious it does.

    Unity haters: stop. There's no one forcing you to use it. You don't understand it (as is painfully obvious) because you don't want to. Just let it go.

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  • liam
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    Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
    I think I've proven my point
    On the right, where's the top bar? Also, is that a render? If not, what environment is it.

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  • Andrecorreia
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    kde sucks!

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  • Luke_Wolf
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    Originally posted by ferry View Post
    AFAIK it's called a global menu.

    If not, I don't care how KDE calls it. They remove the menu from each application window, then add a widget that shows the menu to the task bar, remove the task switching widget and then move the task bar to the top. Further they remove the title bar of each window.

    Unfortunately they also add a large non-sensical widget that swtiches between activities, but since I don't use those I just remove that one.

    So, everything is in one bar now, title, switchers, menu. Saves 2 bars compared to regular desktop.

    Like a screenshot?
    Yeah give me a screenshot, I switched over to plasma netbook on the VM to check what you said out, and moved around a window and at least on mageia the shell basically just removed the decorations without a global menu (see post #33)

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  • ferry
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    Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
    it's not a global menu, it's just a window without decorations, and with toolbars cut down but it's still local menus
    AFAIK it's called a global menu.

    If not, I don't care how KDE calls it. They remove the menu from each application window, then add a widget that shows the menu to the task bar, remove the task switching widget and then move the task bar to the top. Further they remove the title bar of each window.

    Unfortunately they also add a large non-sensical widget that swtiches between activities, but since I don't use those I just remove that one.

    So, everything is in one bar now, title, switchers, menu. Saves 2 bars compared to regular desktop.

    Like a screenshot?

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  • GreatEmerald
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    Originally posted by ferry View Post
    On my eeepc I have 1024x600. I'm using KDE with the 'netbook' workspace which has global menu on in the top window bar, no task bar and runs all apps full screen. Believe me, this is what you would want too on this screen.
    Yeap, I have that one as well. But it's running Gentoo and Razor-qt for optimal performance. While it is cramped at times, I haven't really had any issues with menus and whatnot (well, Openbox window decorations are pretty slim by default, anyway). Even QGIS looks good enough on it.

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  • carewolf
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    Originally posted by who_me View Post
    How the fuck are you now saving space? I just showed you that you get a bigger area to render stuff on. It means that they are using the available screen area more efficiently than other DEs which *is* the point of the whole debate.
    Being proven wrong is no reason to curse.

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  • Luke_Wolf
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    Originally posted by ferry View Post
    On my eeepc I have 1024x600. I'm using KDE with the 'netbook' workspace which has global menu on in the top window bar, no task bar and runs all apps full screen. Believe me, this is what you would want too on this screen.

    Of course on my dual monitor desktop I have KDE with the desktop workspace, local menus and task bar.

    I switched from ubuntu to kubuntu even before they started unity.
    it's not a global menu, it's just a window without decorations, and with toolbars cut down but it's still local menus

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