Systemd Is The Future Of Debian

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  • Bestia
    Phoronix Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 82

    #61
    Originally posted by Gusar View Post
    Why "except"? That's exactly what I said is ridiculous - local and online queries are combined. Just because that line is there does not make it any less ridiculous. It doesn't matter that the queries go to Canonical and not directly to Amazon - local queries shouldn't go to *anyone*.
    Except that it clearly says it's not only local search and if you want to make it local there is one switch in Security & Privacy settings.

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    • Delgarde
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 1692

      #62
      Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
      I think the issue is init systems have a lot of integration with the rest of the OS. It's not exactly a quick and easy process to reliably switch, especially when you consider documentation.
      Sure, but the claim was that it wasn't possible to move away from systemd, period. I agree that changing the init system is difficult, but it's always going to be possible. Moving *to* systemd (or upstart, for that matter) is aided by it retaining compatibility with the existing sysvinit scripts, and if in future it becomes desirable to move away from systemd, the key to that will be for the replacement to be compatible enough to ease the transition.

      In theory, that might even be easier, since systemd config files are more structured than sysvinit shell scripts - it may be practical to automatically convert them (or for the replacement to read them directly) instead of emulating traditional behavior.

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      • Ferdinand
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 204

        #63
        Originally posted by Sidicas View Post
        To be honest, I find it kinda hilarious about how bad the community is to Canonical.
        Really? I thought Ubuntu would become _the_ community distribution and that Canonical would take that work and create a commercial success. Instead the longer they went on the more it became obvious they didn't listen to the community. That meant that reasons why people couldn't switch over weren't addressed and instead they put a lot of effort in things like unity and mir.
        Valve has already done more to get linux mainstream than Canonical has done in 10 years.

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        • ObiWan
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2009
          • 207

          #64
          Originally posted by Annabel View Post
          it's not worse than using permissive licensed software
          but you could fork it anyway if you don't like the CLA

          in my opinion GPL > GPL + CLA > permissive license
          But something one could work around, and thats why upstart wasn't ruled out in the first place.
          Just release patches for Debians Upstart GPL only, and Canonical can't legaly use in a closed source version.

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          • Delgarde
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 1692

            #65
            Originally posted by ObiWan View Post
            But something one could work around, and thats why upstart wasn't ruled out in the first place.
            Yep, that's been discussed a few times on that thread. Pretty much all the committee regard the CLA as undesirable, but none of them regard it as unacceptable - of the four members who voted systemd first, all of them put upstart as their second choice, preferable to sticking with sysvinit, and preferable to spending any more time arguing over it.

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            • erendorn
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2012
              • 965

              #66
              Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
              In the case of something like upstart or Mir, they simply just did things their own way when there is GOOD existing software that NEEDS attention.
              What exactly was superior to upstart before systemd?

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              • Marc Driftmeyer
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2012
                • 1502

                #67
                Originally posted by erendorn View Post
                What exactly was superior to upstart before systemd?
                launchd

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                • plonoma
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 871

                  #68
                  Yeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssss.....................

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                  • Olosta
                    Junior Member
                    • Nov 2013
                    • 12

                    #69
                    Originally posted by FLHerne View Post
                    as a non-Debian-user I'd have appreciated them putting a load of work into maintaining an alternative.
                    And that is the nature of the current TC debate, this "default init" decision is just an acknowledgement of what was already pretty clear since a few weeks, the true debate is here.

                    You can look at this particular sub-thread to see clearly what the diversity of opinion is on this subject (even inside the so prejudicely called "team canonical") :


                    Everyone was pretty open on the systemd/upstart question, but this is where the debate is very intense (if not hostile). Because both sides are ironically thinking that choosing the other option would fundamentally break Debian as the place where as long as it is free software it is welcome. And no one wants to compromise that.

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                    • Annabel
                      Phoronix Member
                      • Nov 2013
                      • 112

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Marc Driftmeyer View Post
                      launchd
                      launchd sucks, xml config files? what a joke

                      but actually I'm wondering why they didn't considered using it, they like harmful software
                      Last edited by Annabel; 11 February 2014, 06:21 PM.

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