Systemd Is The Future Of Debian

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  • Annabel
    Phoronix Member
    • Nov 2013
    • 112

    #41
    Originally posted by marciocr View Post
    It's just a impression, or almost nobody care about the technical differences between systemd and upstart?
    This is true for most people (even the debian TC) but not for everyone

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    • justmy2cents
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2013
      • 1067

      #42
      Originally posted by rohcQaH View Post
      That's not a fair comparison between X and wayland. It's a comparison between window managers.

      To make X look worse, they're running a crappy window manager without compositing. Without, any window movement triggers a redraw of the whole window and the window behind, which is known to be slow.

      They're saying how wayland has smooth window fading animations. It doesn't. The window manager they're using does.


      In other words, just install a proper window manager, and X11 is fine. It may have its architectural flaws, but X11 itself is not noticeably slower than wayland.
      you do realize that that everything in that video runs on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi which costs $25, don't you? i can't get half as smooth performance on my i7+NVidia with best compositors on XOrg. now, go figure. $25 machine has smoother experience than $1000+

      its architectural flaws? listen to developer from XOrg if you don't believe to other ppl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6PFjoYuml0 it is broken to insanity
      Last edited by justmy2cents; 11 February 2014, 03:50 PM.

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      • Annabel
        Phoronix Member
        • Nov 2013
        • 112

        #43
        Originally posted by Sidicas View Post
        Well, let me clue you on on something.

        Whenever you go to google.com and search for something that I find particularly interesting.
        Google sends me information about what you saw on that google search page, what links you clicked, and exactly what time you clicked them.
        Yes, I pay google to do this and they do it.

        You think just because Canonical sends some searchterms to Amazon, is such a crime. I think that's ridiculous. It's standard practice for search engines. I think this example more than anything shows people wanting to just make up whatever reasons to rationalize their irrational dislike/hate for Canonical.
        because google does that it doesn't mean that it's not evil. Yes it is a crime

        Originally posted by justmy2cents View Post
        whatever community does is under free for all license, whatever Canonical does is under CLA which basically means Canonical is owner of that work. now, go and figure out why no one wants to sign it. upstart would have no problem in adoption if there was no CLA, distros actually started to adopt it, then they opted for new project where license is not problematic

        if they would stop with CLA, community would actually be able to contribute. but, hey... CLA was enforced on Canonical by community i guess.
        yes because CLA will kill you and rape your children...
        If you only knew how many projects use CLA...

        Can someone explain to me why CLA is bad?
        Last edited by Annabel; 11 February 2014, 03:49 PM.

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        • uid313
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 6924

          #44
          The scary thing about systemd is that if I understand things correctly its a once you're in, you can ever get out.
          It cant be replaced and switched out for something else.

          I don't know how good or bad systemd is, maybe its good today, but what about in a couple of years?

          I wish Linus Torvalds would just yell at people then go write his own init system and make it great then everyone can adopt that.

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          • marciocr
            Junior Member
            • Sep 2013
            • 34

            #45
            Originally posted by Annabel View Post
            This is true for most people (even the debian TC) but not for everyone
            Because of that I said almost.
            To me, the crowd just wanna have a reason to bash in Canonical.

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            • Krejzi
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2013
              • 339

              #46
              Originally posted by Sidicas View Post
              HAHAHA~
              You don't remember libindicate? Canonical made something great and the community just ignored it and pretended it didn't exist.. Then the community went on to write libnotify from scratch which does pretty much the exact same thing.
              Get your facts straight first. libnotify existed way before libindicate. First release of libnotify, 0.2.0 was released on 28 Aug 2005, while the first release of libindicate, also 0.2.0 was released on 9 Sep 2009. So who are you trying to fool here? libnotify exited at least 4 years before libindicate according to the listings below.


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              • Gusar
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2012
                • 1337

                #47
                Originally posted by Annabel View Post
                Can someone explain to me why CLA is bad?

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                That's for starters. Basically, the problem with Canonical's CLA is the asymmetry - Canonical has more rights than everyone else does. Other projects that are also under CLA do not have such asymmetry. Either because they're under a permissive license (Apache), and as such everyone can make proprietary derivatives regardless of CLA. Or in the case of the FSF, they assure you the CLA'd project will forever remain under a copyleft license, so again everyone is on equal footing.

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                • justmy2cents
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 1067

                  #48
                  Originally posted by Annabel View Post
                  yes because CLA will kill you and rape your children...
                  If you only knew how many projects use CLA...

                  Can someone explain to me why CLA is bad?
                  no, but it can kill your side of the project since you basically gave them "do as you please".

                  Let’s say you want to improve Ubuntu by contributing a patch but if that project is covered by the Canonical Contributor Agreement, you’ll need to sign over some of your rights. People have been arguing about this for a while now but why does Canonical need it in the first place?

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                  • tuubi
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 127

                    #49
                    Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                    The scary thing about systemd is that if I understand things correctly its a once you're in, you can ever get out.
                    It cant be replaced and switched out for something else.
                    No, you don't understand things correctly. Of course it can be switched out, as long as you have something that provides equivalent functionality and implements the necessary interfaces. Nothing does that currently, but there is no such thing as software that cannot be replaced. The end is not nigh, despite the loud minority of systemd-fearing luddites. It's just a piece of software, for chrissakes.

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                    • prodigy_
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 341

                      #50
                      Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                      The scary thing about systemd is that if I understand things correctly its a once you're in, you can ever get out.
                      Exactly, only it's much worse than it sounds because systemd is steadily becoming a prerequisite for everything else.

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