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  • Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
    Very weak attempt of trolling, pal. I can name many of features unique for Linux in comparison to Solaris and BSD if you want (to name just few: RCU, KMS, cgroups, many unique file systems) . BSD, Solaris are very old and their nothing, but the result of old Unix wars. BSD doesn't even have good file system except the one copied from Solaris. If BSD and Solaris were innovative they will be much more popular than Linux, but they're nearly non existent
    At least RCU and KMS are not Linux's innovations.

    BSD's: FFS (innovation at the time), TCP/IP protocol stack, job control, curses, vim, sockets, jails, pf, rumpkernel/anykernel, HAMMER FS, virtual kernels.
    Solaris' contributions are well-known.

    I know it is off topic, but getting pretty tired of you every time saying/suggesting everything but Linux is a piece of shit (i.e. Trolling).
    Last edited by Sergio; 29 October 2013, 07:42 AM.

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    • Originally posted by Pajn View Post
      Sure, but as I said it seems like he wants to be incompatible with everything else so even if you fork it you'll probably not
      be part of the "SystemD way of living".
      Good job misinterpreting the post. He expressed no such thing. What he said is that systemd is creating new technologies, and it just so happens that programs like those features and use them. That doesn't stop Canonical from making their own implementation in the slightest, just that it would be a lot of work to do that and the result would be largely the same (hence why Ubuntu uses logind). And he prefers clean and maintainable code to portable code, which is a sensible policy. And there is no such thing as "systemd way of living".

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      • Originally posted by Sergio View Post
        I know it is off topic, but getting pretty tired of you every time saying/suggesting everything but Linux is a piece of shit (i.e. Trolling).
        Nice projection there, pal.

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        • Originally posted by asdx
          My vote is for systemd.

          Come on Debian, don't go the Ubuntu route.
          You are right, Debian shouldn't go the Ubuntu route. They should go the Debian route. Therefore they try to examine which init system adapts better to their way of thinking. Your vote is irrelevant on this, they will decide on a technical basis and on the basis which will be better for them in the long run.

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          • Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
            And here's a lengthy analysis of the situation my Lennart Poettering:

            https://plus.google.com/u/0/11554768...ts/8RmiAQsW9qf
            Can that guy possibly get any more annoying? Geez!

            So the reason to use systemd is that they've already taken over udev and dbus and will take over more stuff until he personally controls Linux. Awesome.

            This is not an analysis, it is a threat. If you use something else, he'll fuck you up, because he'll put as much as possible into his "core OS" until you are so dependent on their specialised APIs that you can't migrate away.
            Last edited by pingufunkybeat; 29 October 2013, 08:30 AM.

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            • Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
              You are right, Debian shouldn't go the Ubuntu route. They should go the Debian route. Therefore they try to examine which init system adapts better to their way of thinking. Your vote is irrelevant on this, they will decide on a technical basis and on the basis which will be better for them in the long run.
              The technical basis also includes effort required in the future. On this, Poettering is right. With Ubuntu moving away from Linux, who knows how difficult it will be to maintain an upstart fork in two or three years.

              Debian devs will not control either project. If you have to pick a distro to pwn your init system, RedHat is a better choice than Ubuntu, IMHO.

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              • Originally posted by Pajn View Post
                To me SystemD looks more and more like a cancer, it grows and grows and it gets harder and
                harder to remove it without killing the patient.
                The reason it grows is that it provides features that developers, maintainers and admins want to have, and that no other init system provides.
                The reason it's harder and harder to remove is that it provides features that developers, maintainers and admins actually use, and that no other init system provides.

                You cannot really count that as a con.

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                • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                  Can that guy possibly get any more annoying? Geez!

                  So the reason to use systemd is that they've already taken over udev and dbus and will take over more stuff until he personally controls Linux. Awesome.

                  This is not an analysis, it is a threat. If you use something else, he'll fuck you up, because he'll put as much as possible into his "core OS" until you are so dependent on their specialised APIs that you can't migrate away.
                  The CoreOS thing is actually pretty good, atleast in my opinion. If all distros adapt systemd, they'll all have same common ground, causing less fragmentation, less issues and more developer time to be put into something else.

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                  • Originally posted by teahopper View Post
                    The CoreOS thing is actually pretty good, atleast in my opinion. If all distros adapt systemd, they'll all have same common ground, causing less fragmentation, less issues and more developer time to be put into something else.
                    The idea of having a common core which most major players develop together is not a bad one at all. What is annoying is the "my way or the highway" attitude, and the intention to break all software which is not based on it by taking over shit like dbus.

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                    • It's good to see the Debian developers in the mailing list discussing OpenRC as a possible option.

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