Ubuntu Set To Terminate Its Brainstorm Project

[moilami]

Finally somebody with common sense. Why can't people stop hating Canonical for trying to become popular and gain larger marketshare? Oh right. They don't play nice with the 'ecosystem'. As if Canonical should ask everybody before making any move since who knows it might upset people who would hate to see them popular but hide their hate with thinly veiled arguments like 'they're trying to pull an apple' or crap like that.

I've noticed that some people who use linux like to think of themselves as rebels that fight against the system and since linux has 1% it maintains that rebel spirit. The moment it will become popular they will probably lose interest and move on to BSD or BeOS or god knows what. You don't use linux because it's better but because it makes you feel special, against the masses of common sheep. Those very people keep bashing on Canonical on this forum.

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[GreatEmerald]

And if you are talking about desktop oriented distros, Ubuntu and it's direct derivatives like Mint and Studio has more users then the next 30 desktop oriented distros combined.

Irrelevant to what I said. They still use different technology (especially DEs). Also, you could just as well say that they are all based on Debian. Debian sure sounds more like the average distribution than Ubuntu itself.

[dee.]

Now look at the push for Linux machines happening now, you have major OEMs like Dell and HP selling UBUNTU boxes, and all of the Linux first minor OEMs like Ohava, Think Penguin, Zareason and System76? Their default distro is you guessed it UBUNTU!

Funny of you to mention that, because ThinkPenguin just made a deal with Mint, they donate money to Mint for every computer they sell with Mint preinstalled...

[Kivada]

The problem is that Ubuntu isn't a run-of-the-mill distribution. If it was, nobody would be complaining. But they're trying their hardest to be different than anyone else, and that's what's bad about the situation.

You know, it would be interesting to see what is the most average Linux distribution. For example, take the most popular distributions (30 or so), then see how many of them have graphical installers, how many have text ones, how many ship GNOME by default, how many ship KDE, how many use RPM, how many use DEB etc. It would be interesting to see what the real average Linux distribution is.

And if you are talking about desktop oriented distros, Ubuntu and it's direct derivatives like Mint and Studio has more users then the next 30 desktop oriented distros combined.

This is why Ubuntu became the goto linux distro for hardware manufacturers releasing preinstalled Linux boxes. you remember a few years ago when the first big push happened and every company used a different distro, what happened? THEIR EFFORTS FAILED AND MOST DISTROS THEY CHOSE SUCKED.

Now look at the push for Linux machines happening now, you have major OEMs like Dell and HP selling UBUNTU boxes, and all of the Linux first minor OEMs like Ohava, Think Penguin, Zareason and System76? Their default distro is you guessed it UBUNTU!

Now, I gave up on Ubuntu directly because of Gnome3 and Unuty, only to find a new home on the Ubuntu derivative Linux Mint Mate Edition so that I can continue to have a real working desktop environment on top of Ubuntu without having to add a PPA that doesn't mesh 100% like the Mint version does.

[dee.]

This is exactly the attitude of the basement losers who think canonical is evil:

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Ubuntu destroyed my youth.

Postby X11 ? Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:08 pm
Well,

Firstly I will ask a simple question, what is it that really made us all hate Microsoft? I believe most will accept my own response: That it treats all users as the same idiots and that this patronizing attitude towards the customer is unbearable. Even on its server front Microsoft treat all administrators as the same idiots and this is also unbearable. Shift aside the issues of bloat, the issues of embrace/extend/extinguish and it becomes quite abundantly clear that there is the same collectivist evil on our "side."

Ubuntu is pure unrefined evil. This distribution ties down all users as the same idiots, this distribution itself has embraced Linux, extended it, and extinguished Linux culture which really is my own heritage. I guess if one were to go to opposite extremes Slackware comes to mind. Ubuntu was created by the worst of the Linux community. I wish I never hoped for friendly open source because as the phrase goes: "Careful what you wish for." Ubuntu on its server and desktop fronts is a force that is utterly destructive to what Linux was really all about. It hasn't made anything better for the users, because afterall they really are just idiots and there is no other common characteristic for them.

The only way to deal with idiots collectively on the mass-market is with the worst form of collectivist judgment and the CeNsOrEd child of this movement is Ubuntu. Everything wrong with Microsoft is wrong with Ubuntu and everything morally wrong about Microsoft's approach to software is also going to be morally wrong about Ubuntu. It really doesn't matter which ethos you live by either. Ubuntu's evils create bad user habits in the same way that Microsoft does, through the acceptance of stupidity. Ubuntu puts the user in the back seat of his own operating system and as a result, garbage goes in and garbage goes out. It's a living memorial of the results of hedonism.

The system exists for nothing other than the short-term whims of computer users that need to be protected from themselves. Tell me, Void, why in the hell don't you just ban discussions about Ubuntu on this forum for the same reason we don't talk about Microsoft and SuSE? One day you will wish you had, as Ubuntu carries with itself the same cancer as Microsoft Windows! I'll always be waiting in the sidelines to tell you that I told you so, but it doesn't have to have such an abrupt ending does it?

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This is exactly how fucked up they are and they see nothing wrong with themselves.

Now here is an example of the sane user who tries Ubuntu and sees through their bullshit:


Re: Ubuntu destroyed my youth.

Postby Duo Maxwell ? Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:33 am
So, the basement dwellers are still around I see. Afraid their defining trait is no longer going to be so defining, that it'll become uncool because it's become popular. Just like how bands suck once they've pressed an album.

Nobody wants to remember 60,000 commands and variables to run everything from the terminal. So some things are faster that way, but most aren't because humans are visual creatures, most of us prefer to actually see what we're doing in a non text manner because it's how our brains are hard wired.

So what has Canonical done that has E.E.E.'d the OSS world? I've seen no proprietary projects from them, only a group that actually has a semi coherent idea of what they're doing and where they want to be next release.

Don't fear success man, you want to be able to ensure any and all hardware works on Linux? How about having games finally come to Linux? Well you need a cohesive distro that actually attempts to keep up with the times and makes things inviting enough that a pointy haired manager can use it.

So yeah, that means Linux no longer a hipster geek product, but if thats your thing, theres always Plan 9, from outer space.

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Perfectly said. Use Plan 9 losers. You are against success.

Oh man, this guy... I swear, this guy takes strawmanning to a whole another level...

[madjr]

@ Madjr:

No, it would have been nice if the general populace would have pulled their heads out of their butts and just picked their own preference of distro out of the available supply, but as the lemmings they are they just pick the one that screams the loudest and then they convince themselves that that is the only thing that lets them do any computing. Nevermind that Ubuntu is just a run of the mill, mediocre Linux distro for now (it could stop being a Linux distro).

Doesn't matter. Now we just have to contend with Windows users, Mac OS X users and Ubuntu users. The elusive Linux user will just keep on trucking.

What you don't understand my friend (and is why I said you were in the land of OZ), Is that the "General Population" is ONLY on the Hardware Vendors hands.

The "avg joe" does not download and install a distro. And even LESS so, after the UEFI fiasco that makes installing one like 5X more difficult than before (even I experimented Linux user had tons of trouble installing one for a friend recently on new hardware).

So Msft has ALL the POWER (90% of the power balance). And sadly even the crap that is Win8 will get 10000x more users than all linux distros combined.

The hardware is the key and vendors who venture and risk pissing off msft will only sell one Linux distro. The consensus (and demand) has been for Ubuntu.

If we fragment even more this opportunity we're lost.

But the good thing is that if one big Linux distro succeeds this also means open source for the masses and also a flock of users to other distros, DEs, etc.. but most of all TAKING from MSFT and balancing the world OS power, hardware and developer support, etc..

Still some distro already have all the users (or type of user) they need. So don't think they care too much on gaining marketshare.

So repeat after me: HW vendors, HW vendors

[GreatEmerald]

No, it would have been nice if the general populace would have pulled their heads out of their butts and just picked their own preference of distro out of the available supply, but as the lemmings they are they just pick the one that screams the loudest and then they convince themselves that that is the only thing that lets them do any computing. Nevermind that Ubuntu is just a run of the mill, mediocre Linux distro for now (it could stop being a Linux distro).

The problem is that Ubuntu isn't a run-of-the-mill distribution. If it was, nobody would be complaining. But they're trying their hardest to be different than anyone else, and that's what's bad about the situation.

You know, it would be interesting to see what is the most average Linux distribution. For example, take the most popular distributions (30 or so), then see how many of them have graphical installers, how many have text ones, how many ship GNOME by default, how many ship KDE, how many use RPM, how many use DEB etc. It would be interesting to see what the real average Linux distribution is.

[NothingMuchHereToSay]

It's indicative of the new Ubuntu. Canonical has the reigns tightly in hand and they don't need contributing users anymore. They need uncritical consumers, who ooh and aah at any new shiny thing Canonical tacks onto Ubuntu. Tada, look, shiny.

Canonical is pulling an Apple. They are creating their own incompatible OS, completely Canonical specific and amazingly they do it while releasing the whole shebang under a FOSS license. It's quite a feat to create proprietary benefits while being FOSS to the letter. Brilliant, but completely detrimental to the larger Linux ecosystem.

All the cheerleaders for Ubuntu will increasingly find them locked into Canonical's OS. Once they have structured their computing life around Ubuntu and Canonical succeeds in creating an Ubuntu specific ecosystem, they will be back at square one. Facing another switch if they don't want to be beholden to the whims of Bug #2.

"But, but, but it is FOSS. It is out there and you can choose to use it." Oh yeah, but you'd have to become Ubuntu in the process. I don't think the whole world is waiting for an Ubuntu monoculture, with all distributions basically being an Ubuntu respin.

Well.. duh, if there's a lack of an ecosystem, nobody would adopt it because of MS's monopoly, so you really can't help but pull an Apple. "Larger Linux ecosystem"? Honestly, if Canonical/Ubuntu didn't exist, I probably would be using Windows 8, and don't call it an ecosystem, as Linux has too much diversity when it comes to customization and lack of compatibility with legacy (both Windows and native) apps/programs. Also, forcing stuff on people is pretty much the way to get people to change, saying all the good stuff about your OS will pretty much get a whole flock of people that just hate Windows 8 and are willing to change without spending a fortune on OS X.

[r_a_trip]

@ Madjr:

No, it would have been nice if the general populace would have pulled their heads out of their butts and just picked their own preference of distro out of the available supply, but as the lemmings they are they just pick the one that screams the loudest and then they convince themselves that that is the only thing that lets them do any computing. Nevermind that Ubuntu is just a run of the mill, mediocre Linux distro for now (it could stop being a Linux distro).

Doesn't matter. Now we just have to contend with Windows users, Mac OS X users and Ubuntu users. The elusive Linux user will just keep on trucking.

[RealNC]

I see the writing on the wall and I can sense where Canonical's little coup is leading them. I'd rather not wake up in a world where there are three behemoth OS vendors (Microsoft, Apple, Canonical) all with their own ways of being self serving to the detriment of their users and traditional Linux distro's now having to fight three nuisances instead of two.

The dream was to have a few major distro's on equal footing so the coopetition kept them honest and the users would benefit from this power balance. Canonical up ends this by deliberately setting a course to be incompatible with the very ecosystem that bootstrapped them.

I on the other hand hope they succeed. Even though I don't actually use Ubuntu. The reason I want them to have a big market share is that this would increase software support. If it runs in Ubuntu, it most probably can be made to run on other Linux distros as well.