Ubuntu Plans To Move To Systemd's Logind

[bwat47]

I don't understand why they are trying to bolt on a bunch of systemd pieces into upstart, instead of just switching to systemd, which is obviously superior.

[Luke_Wolf]

What you really are saying: the trade-offs from modularity ftw. Besides the increased maintenance your are cheering for CLA and the shit pulled by Canonical.

FUCK FRAGMENTATION

Actually funky, he's praising systemd and Canonical is showing here that those complaints about systemd being monolithic as opposed to modular were dead wrong. Also a Modular program is far superior to an equivalent monolithic program as a modular program is essentially a wrapper around a bunch of far smaller programs (which means far less maintenance burden although larger initial development burden) that are doing one or a small number of things and it being a bunch of small programs means we can test them far easier because we're able to shove sample data in at the component level and get results back and see if they're what we expect them to be. Also say someone comes up with something better than logind, well you've got a relatively easy time just switching things out, Also what if someone wants to use some of your standardized components but not all of them? Well instead of having to rewrite an equivalent component themselves (thus leading to more fragmentation) they just have to set things up so that they're using your standardized components (thus leading to less fragmentation). A monolithic application on the other hand is quite the opposite, it's a pain to replace, good luck with testing and you're forcing people to have to write their own components. You will also note that over the long run modular programs win out over monolithic ones, systemd replacing sysV is a perfect example of this, although it's but one of many success stories.

[F i L]

Hopefully this happens with Mir soon. My (ever declining) respect for Canonical would be greatly increased if they showed a willingness to admit mistakes and collaborate for the sake of the community.

[funkSTAR]

Modularity for the win!

What you really are saying: the trade-offs from modularity ftw. Besides the increased maintenance your are cheering for CLA and the shit pulled by Canonical.

FUCK FRAGMENTATION

[plonoma]

Modularity for the win!

[GreatEmerald]

I recently switch from OpenRC to systemd on my Gentoo system and the difference is incredible.

Pretty much my experience as well. It's a bit annoying how many packages don't come with systemd unit files, but other than that, systemd is super powerful and easy to use at the same time. I don't know how people lived without journalctl. And having everything related to system startup managed by systemd just makes a lot of sense. Who needs pm-utils and separate reboot/shutdown etc. executables? It's just natural to make use of all that via systemctl poweroff/suspend/hibernate etc. Automatic network initialisation is a real time-saver. An intelligent way of creating directories at runtime (in /run and all) is also very much appreciated. Plus things like syslog and cron are no longer needed.

[funkSTAR]

I hope they admit defeat and adopt systemd someday.

There is a difference between systemd and the systemd tree.

Systemd = init+friends
Systemd tree = coreOS including sysd, udev, bootchart, your mum, and hopefully other future stuff.

While systemd is brilliant work on its own, systemd tree is our best hope to do away with CLA and crazy horse shit like Mir et al.

[aavci]

How peculiar, I could've sworn "sudo poweroff" has always asked me for my password, a decade before systemd...

The point is, you dont have to write sudo. It will check the policy and do "the right thing", shutting down right away, asking for a password or simply give an error.

Not a big thing, it just shows the integration level. But I guess you don't like policykit either, then you are simply not in the intended audience.

Also, I didn't say that I was amazed because it asked for a password, I was amazed at the "integration level of the policy management". sudo has nothing to do with policy management.

[newwen]

logind was accepted before Mir went public. What really goes on is Canonical adapting because they wont spend time on maintaning stuff. It appears Canonical can only be tamed by putting more stuff into systemds tree. Anyway systemds tree is populated by redhat, intel and linux foundation devs now. Wayland to systemd? It could happen..

That's what pisses me off. Unilke Red Hat, SUSE and others, Canonical only maintains their own components with CLA. They use the community to get free labor, but they hardly ever contribute anything back upstream that is not Ubuntu specific (so the maintenance is handed over to the community).

I hope they admit defeat and adopt systemd someday.

[curaga]

A few days ago I tried to shutdown the computer from a virtual terminal and systemd asked me my password. I am amazed that policy management works all the way from the terminal to the graphical interface properly. None of this could be done without a central mechanism.

How peculiar, I could've sworn "sudo poweroff" has always asked me for my password, a decade before systemd...