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  • finalzone
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    Originally posted by LinuxID10T View Post
    You missed what I said. It did appear, but it needed a reboot first. Anyway, I would much rather just be able to have logged out.
    Feel free to write a patch or send a suggestion through bug report to improve that functionality.

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  • JanC
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    Originally posted by lsatenstein View Post
    Sudo is another open door. Every distribution I have used allows sudo su
    Ubuntu allows (full) sudo rights to the user who installed the OS (who can be considered a sysadmin by definition in most cases), but by default does not allow it for additional users (unless you explicitly make them admins too).

    There usually is no point in disallowing the (main) sysadmin access to a root terminal (although obviously in most cases 'sudo -i' is a better way to get that than 'sudo su').

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  • LinuxID10T
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    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    I took the time to reproduce the issue by installating both Fluxbox and Sugar and restarting the system. On gdm login screen, the session is available containing Fluxbox and Sugar.
    I do not know how you cannot access to Fluxbox while I successful got there without a fuss.
    You missed what I said. It did appear, but it needed a reboot first. Anyway, I would much rather just be able to have logged out.

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  • finalzone
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    Originally posted by JanC View Post
    That sounds like a decision made by a developer/designer who never talks to real world users and their use cases...
    From post #140
    Originally posted by eliac View Post
    Let's be clear: most normal users out there don't set up a workstation as a file server, nor do they install multiple desktop environments on their computer. A good percentage of us do that _because we are a niche of tech-savy users with different needs and skills_. But if you design for the mainstream users, then you have to choose your defaults and behaviour in a way that makes sense for them, not for your current actual niche.
    How many real users do you know that had a reason to log out in a single user single - single session case but were unable to set the needed gsetting? Because I know nobody that wasn't already looking for a reason to NERDRAGE about Red Hat conspiracies and "dumbing down of interfaces" and that had real trouble with this issue.

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  • JanC
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    Originally posted by combuster View Post
    - Swith to 256-colors terminal messed up some archaic utilities like uerf on digital unix when I log on to those boxes (just prints stdout instead of regular output). Switching to xterm by default fixes this.
    You could also change your terminal emulator config instead of changing to a different terminal emulator...

    (Also, could you explain why this breaks digital unix?)

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  • JanC
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    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    That is Gnome 3.6 feature, not Fedora. With a single user using only one desktop environment i.e Gnome Shell, it does not make sense to have a log out. Add another desktop environment or an user to enable log out.
    That sounds like a decision made by a developer/designer who never talks to real world users and their use cases...

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  • JanC
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    Originally posted by andrebrait View Post
    And I agree with him on the orange color. It's horrible. I seriously don't know what Ubuntu's design team was thinking.
    The amount of orange in Ubuntu/Unity is fairly limited, but in any case it's way better than blue...

    (And obviously, colours are a personal thing...)

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  • Hibbelharry
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    As an Ubuntu user I wanted to give Fedora another try on one of my machines. I think it's always good to see what other do better or worse. In the past rpm has gotten me far away from Fedora each time i had to fiddle with it, but i thought they might deliver a better Gnome 3 Experience than Ubuntu.

    I prepared an USB-Stick with F18 on it and tried to boot into Live-Mode. Whenever i tried this, I got stuck at the loginscreen with no user available to login. I found a bug report about Login Problems and that people have just to click on "liveuser" to login, but there wasn't even a choice. When i enter that username manually, i get another stupid error (different from bad login/password). This happens on 3 of 4 different machines i tested with different USB Sticks. The only computer which successfully booted into the Live Environment bailed out in anaconda. All of those PC are running Ubuntu successfully.

    After this experience i think F18 is seriously absolute crap and while beeing late for a while still seems like a rushed out and unusable release.I personally won't touch Fedora again for the next year and I guess Alan Cox is totally right.

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
    Linux is a kernel.

    He is talking about the kernel, and you are talking about bonobo and libzip. That makes no sense.

    Kernel-userspace interfaces of linux are indeed very stable and rarely change. Otherwise you would have to recompile all your software every time you upgrade the kernel.
    Firstly, don't stand up for him, he didn't mention the kernel at all.

    Secondly, userspace APIs in the kernel do change and change quite often - for the past ten years a very big number of /proc files have been removed or obsoleted, you cannot run old glibc on top of new kernels, etc., etc., etc.

    Thirdly, stop talking of Linux as only the kernel. It's never been true - Linux is meant to be the kernel plus GNU user space applications.
    Last edited by birdie; 01-25-2013, 12:05 PM.

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  • pingufunkybeat
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    Originally posted by birdie View Post
    Stable API/ABI? Are you out of your mind? I guess either you are batsh*t crazy or you don't understand what ABI/APIs are.
    Linux is a kernel.

    He is talking about the kernel, and you are talking about bonobo and libzip. That makes no sense.

    Kernel-userspace interfaces of linux are indeed very stable and rarely change. Otherwise you would have to recompile all your software every time you upgrade the kernel.

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