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Originally posted by fuzz View PostYup and it was also very well-documented.
Its also just annoying, its easy to say accidently let go of alt and suspend your computer instead. Just not well thought out at all. There's plenty of room in the menu, no reason to pointlessly hide important functionality.
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Originally posted by bwat47 View PostIts really not very discoverable... You should never have to google how to shut off your computer
Its also just annoying, its easy to say accidently let go of alt and suspend your computer instead. Just not well thought out at all. There's plenty of room in the menu, no reason to pointlessly hide important functionality.
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Originally posted by fuzz View PostFunny, I didn't have to google. I read the manual. I also have a command line to shut down the computer....
Just look at unity's system menu, it exposes many more useful options than gnome's, its very easy to shutdown/reboot without having to read any documentation:
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Originally posted by chenxiaolong View PostCould you post the entire output of yum when doing that?
Code:Error: Package: libunity-5.12.0-13.3.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: dee-1.0.10-18.1.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: unity-core-5.14.0-3.3.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: libgdu-3.0.2-6.1.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: utouch-frame-2.2.3-16.2.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: utouch-grail-3.0.5-22.3.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: utouch-grail-3.0.5-22.3.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: nux-2.12.0-15.9.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: utouch-evemu-1.0.9-5.1.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: libunity-5.12.0-13.3.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: libindicator-gtk3-0.5.0-28.1.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: libunity-misc-4.0.4-5.1.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: libunity-misc-4.0.4-5.1.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: libXfixes-ubuntu-5.0-1.2.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: dee-1.0.10-18.1.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: libdbusmenu-glib-0.6.2-8.1.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: utouch-frame-2.2.3-16.2.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: compiz-0.9.7.8-66.2.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: libindicator-gtk3-0.5.0-28.1.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: bamf3-0.2.118-6.1.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: bamf3-0.2.118-6.1.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: utouch-geis-2.2.10-29.2.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: utouch-geis-2.2.10-29.2.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: 1:metacity-2.34.1-9.1.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: libdbusmenu-glib-0.6.2-8.1.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: libgdu-3.0.2-6.1.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: libXfixes-ubuntu-5.0-1.2.i686 (GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found Error: Package: utouch-evemu-1.0.9-5.1.x86_64 (@GNOME_Ayatana) Requires: /usr/sbin/ldconfig Removing: glibc-2.15-37.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Updated By: glibc-2.15-51.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Not found You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
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Originally posted by zerothis View PostCanonical really does want to replace Microsoft.
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Originally posted by Damian_Ivanov View PostThat's because I use both opensuse and Fedora and I love OBS, which is open build service, not opensuse build service.
And we do Fedora first since chenxiaolong is fedora only user. If somebody want to help with the suse specs we'll have the port in few days for suse.
On a more serious note: While I'm personally not the biggest Unity fan, choice is good. So tanks for your effort.
Regarding Compiz for openSUSE, you may want to push it into main Factory: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771557
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Originally posted by bwat47 View Post1. Unity isn't a fork, its just an all new shell running on top of gnome 3.
And again even if you do that, just keep full support of the the thing you used to use. they have better kde and better xfce support than gnome-shell support today, thats not acceptable (for me).
Originally posted by bwat47 View Post2. canonical created unity because they wanted full control over the direction of ubuntu's interface. Ubuntu tried to contribute ayatana stuff like indicators and notify-osd to upstream in the beginning, before unity and gnome-shell and unity were in development, but gnome wouldn't accept them. Canonical and gnome just had different visions for how the shell should work, so they went their own ways.
they could have made all what they want in gnome-shell addons... if they want some features, without extensions in the main code base, you dont just send patches you try to bring it in the TODO list first ^^ or something like that.
its like I would send kde patches that the clock is staticly only be sticked to the left bottom corner because I think clocks should be there, and then be pissed of when the core devs dont like that idea... it would be stupid to first program it and send it to them. just talk about your idea and find out if you find enough friends of that idea.
But whatever the point was that I dont like it, and that therefore I want to migrate away, and I do still hope that unity dies, because 2 desktops kde and gnome are bad enough we dont need a 3rd, and yes because unity dont keeps up with gnome3 and always uses older deps its not really compatible to gnome-shell, and like I said ubuntu did other stuff that made me angry, too.
I also find it just megalomaniac to keep up with the gnome devs, it was gnome that to 50-90% made the big sucess of the ubuntu projekt possible, and now you stop supporting them, that just sucks...
I think if gnome brings a distro out, it had better changes to become a sucess than ubuntu making its own gnome, gnome is the dog and ubuntu is the tail, and now ubuntu as tail trys to waggle with the dog (gnome)Last edited by blackiwid; 20 July 2012, 07:16 AM.
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Originally posted by bwat47 View PostUnity does a few things better:
The dash's search seems more powerful, due to lenses. For example I love being able to open the music lense, type an album name and hit enter and automatically starts playing the whole album in rhythmbox I've been finding the music and video lenses very useful.
More efficient use of vertical screenspace
The launcher has features that gnome-shell doesn't have, like integrated progressbars, and better quicklist support.
Super key + number shortcuts for launching apps. Unity is far more efficient for launching multiple apps in quick succession than gnome-shell is.. In gnome-shell unless you install a seperate launcher, you have to keep opening the overlay, in unity if I want to quickly launch my 3 favorite apps its just meta + 1-2-3 BAM!
Messaging integration that isn't specific to empathy, pidgin has indicator support out of the box, on par with unity's empathy integration. In gnome-shell there's extensions for pidgin integration but they make my shell crash and seem buggy .
Also, while gnome-shell's slick empathy integration and notifications are nice, as a whole I find unity and notify-osd's notifications to be superior. In gnome I often "miss" notifications if I wasn't at my computer at the time, in unity the messaging indicator turns blue and stays blue until I've checked the notification, and notify-osd is a little bit less intrusive IMO.
Gnome-shell does certain things better of course, but I think unity is maturing into a great desktop and I now prefer it to gnome-shell. It all comes down to personal taste, both unity and gnome-shell are nice desktops.
There are a few things you've mentioned that I can't comment on, specifically those related to media, empathy, pidgin... however, the rest of what you've mentioned seem to be quite trivial modifications to gnome-shell. One could, in theory, write an extension to entirely replicate unity within gnome-shell.
I have seen an extension for gnome-shell to maintain notifications, for example.
I believe that gnome offers a much stronger platform for true interface customization than unity offers.
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Originally posted by blackiwid View Postthats a question of semantics, call it what you want but I dont like this waste of time, and dont can believe that ubuntu can do such big things and keep that thing getting better and better and stay at the same level like gnome 3 can do. till now canonical did only do that what normal distros do, build some installers build packages (and even there they mostly only repackage deb files) and use all the stuff from others like a distri should do. the only bigger thing that they made self, was upstream, and they failed with it.
And again even if you do that, just keep full support of the the thing you used to use. they have better kde and better xfce support than gnome-shell support today, thats not acceptable (for me).
yes if you define that you dont want trays anymore and you get patches that changes or adds them, its hard to accept them...
they could have made all what they want in gnome-shell addons... if they want some features, without extensions in the main code base, you dont just send patches you try to bring it in the TODO list first ^^ or something like that.
2. Gnome-shell extensions are great and all, but people overstate how useful they are when you attempt to make significant changes with them. For example look at linux mint. At first they tried to do all their customization using gnome-shell extensions, but they simply didn't do what they wanted well enough and they ended up forking the shell and window manager anyway. Gnome-shell extensions are great but the whole "pfft unity is pointless because it can all be done just as well with gnome-shell extensions" is a fallacy. Unity differs quite significantly from gnome-shell and this would be a pretty impossible task with just gnome-shell extensions. There's also the fact that gnome-shell and unity were developed around the same time. Its not like Canonical saw a completed gnome-shell and was like "yeah, lets just rewrite everything!" they had differences with the direction gnome was heading so they just took a different path. Fact is if ubuntu wants complete control over their interface, working with gnome wasn't gonna happen. Both gnome and Canonical have very specific views on how the shell should work, this split was inevitable and probably for the best, now we have to great shells to choose from.
Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
But whatever the point was that I dont like it, and that therefore I want to migrate away, and I do still hope that unity dies, because 2 desktops kde and gnome are bad enough we dont need a 3rd, and yes because unity dont keeps up with gnome3 and always uses older deps its not really compatible to gnome-shell, and like I said ubuntu did other stuff that made me angry, too.
I also find it just megalomaniac to keep up with the gnome devs, it was gnome that to 50-90% made the big sucess of the ubuntu projekt possible, and now you stop supporting them, that just sucks...
Second, they certainly haven't completely 'stopped supporting gnome', and ubuntu is NOT incompatible with gnome-shell, I don't know where you got that idea. Ubuntu still uses the complete gnome 3 stack under the hood currently. Just because canonical and gnome have very different ideas on how the shell should work does not mean they've completely split, ubuntu is still a huge userbase for gnome. gnome-shell is a single apt-get away.
There is no reason to hope "unity dies" just like one shouldn't hope gnome-shell, kde, or cinnamon dies. If you don't like it then you don't need to use it.Last edited by bwat47; 20 July 2012, 11:23 AM.
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