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Originally posted by alcalde View PostDoes anyone know what this actually means? I hope it doesn't mean that things are going to go from code release to package even faster, meaning less testing and more instability in Sabayon....
"The first Extreme-Rolling Release distribution, with automated repository package version bumping, thanks to Entropy Matter ebuild tracker"
...So the way I understand this the repository packages are automatically bumped to the latest version as its released from upstream?
Not totally sure if thats the safest way to go about rolling release....theres a difference between being bleeding-edge and hemorrhaging-out. Could be interesting though I suppose. It would take quite a bit though to deter me from Arch tbh.
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stable and unstable "repos" in gentoo.
Originally posted by crazycheese View PostWhat are kernel/initram, xorg, gcc and coreutils are usefull for except running a server? You are running server on Arch?
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#eix -e mplayer
[I] media-video/mplayer
Available versions: 1.0_rc4_p20110322-r1 (~)1.0_rc4_p20111215 (~)1.0_rc4_p20120105 (~)1.0_rc4_p20120109 (~)1.0_rc4_p20120128 **9999
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Note the versions with (~) in front of them. These are the unstable versions. Versions with ** are masked ("Ultra-unstable"). So as you can see there is a stable and unstable
so "media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20110322-r1" is in the "stable repository", the (~) ones are in the unstable repo, and -9999 is masked. Anyways, I like facts, so there has been some brake-age in the stable tree "recently", I think the most recent libpng version bump in stable caused some headaches.
I'll reserve my own opinions on Sabayon and it's place/contributions in/to the community.
Back on topic, It looks like Sabayon now just has a cron that emerge --sync's and then builds every new package, while building a binpkgs and serving them via http. It ought to be a bit trickier than that as there are some things you can't have installed at the same time, but in general.
P.S. I've been running gentoo or unstable gentoo since the fall of 2003, both my main desktop and home server run it. So I'm not new to it.
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Originally posted by cynyr View PostYou are misunderstanding "stable" and "unstable" in the gentoo world. Stable has gotten much much better in the last few years.
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#eix -e mplayer
[I] media-video/mplayer
Available versions: 1.0_rc4_p20110322-r1 (~)1.0_rc4_p20111215 (~)1.0_rc4_p20120105 (~)1.0_rc4_p20120109 (~)1.0_rc4_p20120128 **9999
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Note the versions with (~) in front of them. These are the unstable versions. Versions with ** are masked ("Ultra-unstable"). So as you can see there is a stable and unstable
so "media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20110322-r1" is in the "stable repository", the (~) ones are in the unstable repo, and -9999 is masked. Anyways, I like facts, so there has been some brake-age in the stable tree "recently", I think the most recent libpng version bump in stable caused some headaches.
About Gentoo, while I thank you for the info and explanation ... I run Gentoo for two years, so nothing new. Yes, libpng bump with lafix fun, later integrated into revdep which later was integrated into portage itself (preserved-rebuild). There were several issues in stable, but what is broken in Gentoo - can only be fixed from scratch, its in design and in organisation, and you cannot do things right from the start - so thats ok too.
Maybe I overreacted - but just a bit; doing literally nothing, crying out loud how great it is, taking money and jumping in front of one of the best minds at Gentoo - calling out he should die because he just does not use the crappy sabayon. That tells a lot about sabayon itself.
Originally posted by cynyr View PostBack on topic, It looks like Sabayon now just has a cron that emerge --sync's and then builds every new package, while building a binpkgs and serving them via http. It ought to be a bit trickier than that as there are some things you can't have installed at the same time, but in general.
P.S. I've been running gentoo or unstable gentoo since the fall of 2003, both my main desktop and home server run it. So I'm not new to it.
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Originally posted by bug77 View PostWhat's extreme in shipping KDE 4.7 in Feb '12?
But I tried Sabayon 8 in a 512MB virtual machine, and unlike the last one or two versions, I was able to get it to install in VirtualBox without issues, so that's a major improvement. The update notification tool also seemed much smoother and well-behaved from what I remember. The package manager interface is now the "Entropy Store" vs. the last time I used it, and the interface seems generally improved, but there's still some odd behavior. For instance, select "search" by "name" and enter "truecrypt" and it finds a match. Select "search" by "name and description" and enter "truecrypt" and it returns no matches. I also wish the results employed more than one column - because it lists the package category, name and description all in one column (in different colors and font sizes), you can't just scan your eye down a column and see if a match was found.
It had a reasonably good mix of programs pre-installed (no Clementine? I discovered Clementine thanks to Sabayon!). The default system settings and favorites also appeared sensible.
All in all, this was the nicest version of Sabayon I've seen yet, and felt more polished than when I tried and failed to switch to it from Windows in 2010, and there were far less bugs and boot speed was much improved. It's always been one of the more impressively-equipped live DVDs.
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