Linux Mint 22.1 Beta Released With Cinnamon 6.4 Desktop, Updated Apt Code

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Linux Mint 22.1 Beta Released With Cinnamon 6.4 Desktop, Updated Apt Code

The beta release of Linux Mint 22.1 "Xia" is now available for testing of this desktop Linux distribution based on Ubuntu LTS releases and known for its Cinnamon desktop environment...

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Mint-22.1-Beta

[tildearrow]

Typo:

The Linux Mint 22.1 release also adds power modile profile GUI toggles

[In_Mint_Condition]

What we all want to know about this release is - will Danny3 use it? He insists on posting every release to tells us that he is not going to use it. Come on Danny3, put us out of our misery

[hamishmb]

Hopefully these changes will come to LMDE soon too - I just switched

[Danny3]

What we all want to know about this release is - will Danny3 use it? He insists on posting every release to tells us that he is not going to use it. Come on Danny3, put us out of our misery

Just when I was about to complain about it again, but at the last moment decided to let it pass this time... 😂
Thanks for calling me out!

That's true, I'm not going to use it as I find it crap level, much lower than what is the minimum acceptable to me!
I just refuse to use a distro that doesn't take my privacy and security seriously, so not offering first-class support to a popular DE with mature Wayland support!
And I refuse to use a distro that doesn't pursue in any good features for privacy and security like reproducible builds and is still based on dubious Ubuntu!
And I refuse to use a distro that again refuses to offer first-class support and compatibility for one of the most used and secure toolkit, which is Qt!
And then I refuse to use a distro that doesn't take my hardware compatibility seriously and makes high-quality features like Adaptive Sync (Freesync & VRR) and HDR impossible to benefit from!

Linux Mint was something that I thought that was good when I didn't knew enough things and alternatives, but now that I do and the fact that better alternatives exists as a distro base and as DEs offered, I'm sorry but I cannot have any other opinion about Linux Mint than that it's very bad!
But I know it has its fanboys like Nvidia still has and not only that, but also people who do not understand what reproducible builds are good for or what a popular and feature-full DE is good for.
I understand, but I think people should understand me too and leave me complain about the things which I thing they are not good enough for me!
Anyway, if you like, then praise it and use it!
I feel the opposite about it, so I'll do the opposite!

What I hope is that nobody is offended as this is how we will grow together as a community by criticizing what we thing it's bad or not good enough and arguing.
I think there's no hard in leaving opinion and feedback to developers and other users.

[kn00tcn]

I understand, but I think people should understand me too and leave me complain about the things which I thing they are not good enough for me!
Anyway, if you like, then praise it and use it!
I feel the opposite about it, so I'll do the opposite!

What I hope is that nobody is offended as this is how we will grow together as a community by criticizing what we thing it's bad or not good enough and arguing.
I think there's no hard in leaving opinion and feedback to developers and other users.

why didnt you reply like this in past threads? your previous tantrums and constant 'F YOU' swearing was NOT CONSTRUCTIVE

and demanding ALL development be limited to the duopoly of two bloated DEs is unreasonable and would not make them better, it will just cause more development chaos and less leadership vision

what you should be demanding is standard protocols and modularity, the lxqt vision

i've used third party shells on windows two decades ago, things like a completely custom centered floating panel or an alternate start menu or completely replaced window decorations and interface styling, this isnt a nix specific concept

[Danny3]

why didnt you reply like this in past threads? your previous tantrums and constant 'F YOU' swearing was NOT CONSTRUCTIVE

and demanding ALL development be limited to the duopoly of two bloated DEs is unreasonable and would not make them better, it will just cause more development chaos and less leadership vision

what you should be demanding is standard protocols and modularity, the lxqt vision

i've used third party shells on windows two decades ago, things like a completely custom centered floating panel or an alternate start menu or completely replaced window decorations and interface styling, this isnt a nix specific concept

Maybe because I hate the fact that Linux still has a market share of less than 1%, which in turn means that:

• It's not tested as much as Windows for privacy and security vulnerabilities.
• It doesn't have drivers and power management / efficiency as good as Windows and it doesn't have graphical control panels for GPUs.
• It doesn't have compatibility with so many programs, which are still Windows-only, like the ones from Adobe and so many others.

For the tiny market share and obviously the above problems caused by it, I blame the distro developers who made and are still making stupid decisions.
I call them stupid because they are obviously not working and are keeping Linux away from people.
If you are in a situation like we are now with multiple competing projects and some of them are most popular between already existing Linux users, then in my opinion is best to build a distro with the most popular projects.

If most surveys say that KDE Plasma and Gnome are the most popular choices among existing Linux users, than start with offering those, if you care about market share in any way.
There is no problem in offering your in-house built alternative too, like Cinnamon, but offering MATE and XFCE instead of KDE Plasma and Gnome is a really shitty move!
Especially since Linux Mint is the number 1 most recommended distro to new users.

So even if the new users don't make the mistake of choosing MATE or XFCE instead of Cinnamon, they will still not have the best Linux experience that it could have if they were to test Linux for the first time with KDE Plasma or Gnome.

That combined with the fact that a lot of new users are coming from Windows are are expecting a lot of things to work and most likely enjoy watching movies and playing games, where HDR and adaptive sync are very nice features and must have for some, I bet they will instantly have a bad impression of Linux keeping them way from it for a long time.
And not only that, but they will also tell their friends and other people on the internet that Linux is crap or that it's not as good as Windows.

All this fragmentation is really hurtful to Linux and honestly I hate it a lot.
I would prefer that we had 1 or 2 very good (Windows-comparable) DEs that are offered in every distro so no matter what distro a new users chooses they can still have a very good experience and then the alternatives be developed on the side.
If they become very well developed and very good, compared to the first or second very good DE, than offer that too.

But what Linux Mint is doing is like it's intentionally avoiding the first and second most popular and well developed DEs, replacing them with underdeveloped alternatives to give their own alternative a chance.
I can't help myself of not being suspicious of being Microsoft's hand in this as both Linux Mint and Ubuntu have their weird counter-intuitive decisions (Mint with DE choices) and Ubuntu with Snaps primarily).

Whatever the case, I'm not happy with all these experiments while Linux if fumbling to even reach the Mac OS level of market share.

As long as Linux Mint developers refuse to offer the most popular and second most popular Linux DE and also refuse to rebase their own Cinnamon from a more up-to-date Gnome version, I will continue my criticism of it until the situation improves.
They don't budge, then I don't budge either!
I guess I wouldn't have such a big problem with them if they weren't stealing users, donations from other projects and distros that actually want to see Linux advance in the market share and are actively contributing to standards and protocols like Wayland and in the future will have Vulkan rendering back-ends.

As for LXQT, I'm not familiar with its vision, but I agree with the general idea of having standards, protocols and modularity!

[marlock]

It's undeniable that KDE and Gnome have many more hands on deck working on them than Cinnamon... but it doesn't *automatically* follow that the best UX for new users is Gnome or KDE instead of Cinnamon

Also I've seen Cinnamon on OpenSuse and on Ubuntu, and it's horrendous compared to Cinnamon on Linux Mint. This contrast shows off just how much Linux Mint does beyond delivering Ubuntu + another DE.

It's a distro focused on UI/UX, so if your criticism towards it is that it doesn't have reproducible builds, well sure, there are better distros for that... but it's not a feature that is *required* for a noob to have a good UX when moving to linux, so lacking it says nothing about how good a starting point it is for newcommers, wereas your post sort of conflates both things. It would be nice to have it, but it's not a dealbreaker for everyone that it doesn't... and honestly, how many bigger distros alreay do? is that really already a mainstream thing or is it still niche?

As for wayland, it's coming later than on other distros and DEs but it's coming fast. They waited because they have a small team and it cost them less effort this way (eg: see their relatively recent post on their Muffin rebasing to a newer version of Mutter) plus it allowed their users to skip a lot of UI/UX regressions which early-adopter distros went through.

I'm glad early-adopter distros exist (they didn't just adopt wayland, they painstakingly built it and everything around it into something feature-complete), but i'm also glad Mint was there as a refuge in the meantime.