Red Hat & Microsoft Bringing RHEL To WSL

[Auzy]

What does that have to do with it? He was just saying Red Hat is selling out (too). They're all evil....ppl think that Linux is somehow excluded from this corporate stuff - but, it's not. Ppl think that because some of these distros are 'conforming to open source values' that they are somehow exempt from criticism or hold some moral high ground but they are not.

Comments like these are disappointing. Redhat is one of the main reasons Linux has any desktop penetration (anyone using Linux for more than 20 years will remember the pain of all the sound servers as an example). if we follow the idealist view from people such as yourself developers basically work hard, and for free. Because, in practice, the community doesn't really donate money to backend projects.

Also, the community needs to stop treating developers like crap, as it is causing developers to leave (I know a few others besides myself who got demoralised). In fact, I've found the most vocal people in the community tend to contribute very little (if anything)

I think people forget the amount of code RH contribute too. If it weren't for them, we'd still be messing with sound servers every time we play a game.

Charging money for an enterprise version of their product doesn't make them evil in any capacity. You also need to recognise, a lot of "not evil" projects, get help from companies like redhat too. Are those projects evil too now?

[IGnatius T Foobar]

It's still upside down. Microsoft needs to do what Novell eventually did: reduce "Windows" to just a set of services that run on top of regular Linux.

[sophisticles]

Microsoft will do anything they can to prevent Linux from gaining a foothold in the corporate desktop market.

You mean like creating their own Linux distro?

[sophisticles]

You're a sheep and 24/7 troll, afaik. You have the gall to think I troll? LOL! How much research did you do on covid? Probably zero. Anyway, I had chats with sheep years ago about the topic, I already been there, done that. Ciao, tool.

I know I have only mentioned this about 4 dozen times, so you may have missed it but I spent ten years working for two medical labs, one of them being one of the largest medical labs in the world, as a data analyst and a manager, and before that i worked for two hospitals in similar capacities.

Additionally one of my degrees is on Biology.

What you have said, if that is what you truly believe, is factually incorrect and very easily demonstrably so.

There is a possibility that you are not trolling because i have met people like you in real life, but there is no excuse for being so misinformed.

Open a book, speak to someone with a background in the Biological sciences, take an online class from Coursera on viruses, there is no excuse to be stupid unless you like being a dumbass.

[Old Grouch]

People love to argue just for the sake of arguing.

People love to make inflammatory statements for the sake of making inflammatory statements.

I clearly said desktop.

I clearly added missing context.

Please leave the white knight act for the others, which we clearly have enough of.

What act? And what is this 'we' you speak of?

Now, what would be interesting is if you shared your insights as to why the Linux Desktop has such small market share compared to the Microsoft Windows Desktop.

[NeoMorpheus]

What is Linux server market share?
What is Linux mobile market share?
What is Linux 'set top box' market share?
What is Linux HPC market share?
What is the Linux automotive entertainment/information console market share?
What is the Linux SOHO WiFi router/network equipment market share?
In all the markets in which Microsoft have competed with one of their kernels with Linux, how many have Microsoft as the dominant player/greater share than Linux, and how many have Linux as the dominant player/greater share than Microsoft?

Note that 365 does not require the client to run on a Microsoft O/S. Microsoft have positioned themselves to no longer need the desktop to retain control of the services they offer to Enterprises and SOHO users.

People love to argue just for the sake of arguing.

I clearly said desktop.

Please leave the white knight act for the others, which we clearly have enough of.

[Old Grouch]

And you wonder why Linux Desktop market share is still 2% after 30 years....

What is Linux server market share?
What is Linux mobile market share?
What is Linux 'set top box' market share?
What is Linux HPC market share?
What is the Linux automotive entertainment/information console market share?
What is the Linux SOHO WiFi router/network equipment market share?
In all the markets in which Microsoft have competed with one of their kernels with Linux, how many have Microsoft as the dominant player/greater share than Linux, and how many have Linux as the dominant player/greater share than Microsoft?

Note that 365 does not require the client to run on a Microsoft O/S. Microsoft have positioned themselves to no longer need the desktop to retain control of the services they offer to Enterprises and SOHO users.

[Panix]

That is not what this is, sweety. Microsoft wants you to run Windows, in order to do Linux things. Microsoft's goal is to make Windows a requirement, even when developing and deploying code on Linux. The proprietary Microsoft extensions will come soon enough, and then Windows will become mandatory for corporate Linux software development. Microsoft will do anything they can to prevent Linux from gaining a foothold in the corporate desktop market. EEE is not a 1990's Microsoft strategy - it's Redmond doctrine.

Wow, I'm shocked.... hey everybody, I found someone with a brain! Seriously, you have good points....whether it's this or something else - Microsoft is not doing things because they like Linux - or they want to 'help Linux' or help Windows users use Linux or whatever. They have ulterior motives and Microsoft has some plan - and for Linux users on here thinking 'it's cool...' Wow. I think ppl here were open source zealots?

I liked that Linux offered ways of using Windows file systems - e.g. ntfs-3g or whatever but this incestuous relationship between Windows and Linux (at times) is quite worrisome. If Microsoft wants to really work with Linux - then stop interfering with hardware - get rid of their intrusive/problematic bios integration. There's other things Mikeysoft could do to show they 'want to work with Linux.'

[anda_skoa]

Microsoft's goal is to make Windows a requirement, even when developing and deploying code on Linux.

That ship had already sailed when they still controlled a portion of the server market.
Their goal is now to keep Windows relevant as a development platform as long as possible despite servers mostly running Linux.

The proprietary Microsoft extensions will come soon enough, and then Windows will become mandatory for corporate Linux software development.

That attempt had already failed many years ago.

They thought making certain server side bits of their stack work on Linux would be enough, e.g. ASP.NET, to keep developers tied to Windows, but most developers didn't want to play ball and moved to technologies that were primarily intended to run on Linux, e.g. PHP.

Ultimately they had to change course to keep at least a portion of the developer on Windows and offer support for those technologies.

[torsionbar28]

Here we go with all the Microsoft hate. Red Hat just wants to put their product in front of users, and this is just another avenue of doing so. Hating on them for wanting to do this is just silly IMHO. People like to criticize Red Hat (sometimes justifiably so), but they are a massive net positive contributor to Linux and open-source at large, so calm your tits.

That is not what this is, sweety. Microsoft wants you to run Windows, in order to do Linux things. Microsoft's goal is to make Windows a requirement, even when developing and deploying code on Linux. The proprietary Microsoft extensions will come soon enough, and then Windows will become mandatory for corporate Linux software development. Microsoft will do anything they can to prevent Linux from gaining a foothold in the corporate desktop market. EEE is not a 1990's Microsoft strategy - it's Redmond doctrine.