Fedora 41 Releases Today With Many Shiny New Features

[reftch]

2 months without security patches?

I'm lazy, but I agree, security patches are crucial and should be applied immediately.

[DumbFsck]

I guess I hit on some big changes in the distribution.

Or even some borked updates. I remember some months ago some mesa update broke the system for all that upgraded. Fix was up the next day, and snapper saved people who got caught. This was another thing that I only read about, also dodged by luck.

But the takeaway is that there are some updates that cause breakages. As I said, I do consider myself lucky

[Rovano]

Weird. One of my machines running TW was gathering dust for like a whole year, I recently turned it on again, a couple of months ago, did a zypper dup and all was well.

Luck of the draw I guess.

I guess I hit on some big changes in the distribution.

[darkbasic]

It's too bad it has taken this long. I know it's a niche thing and wouldn't materially impact sales, but even just supporting SR-IOV out-of-the-box for iGPUs is the kind of thing that along with a much better GPU compute stort may make me choose an Arrow Lake laptop over a Ryzen AI one.

Also, I'm SOL for DKMS since the Universal Blue stuff is downstream of CoreOS / Sliverblue / Kinoite. I could fork Bluefin and probably pull in a custom LTS kernel based on one of the CentOS SIG ones with the needed SR-IOV stuff patched in, but work is crazy and I won't have time to mess with any of that soon.

Supporting SR-IOV would have been one of its biggest selling point, but out of tree was a no go for me. With venus being upstreamed into qemu (and a Windows driver being developed) supporting SR-IOV won't be as important as it used to be.

[pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx]

I did the exact opposite! Sometimes Fedora is a bit too quick for my liking and "quicker" than TW. Not in package versions, of course, but in tech stack changes. See for example Wayland and pipewire, tumbleweed stayed on X and Pulse for much longer, for pipewire they waited until wirepumbler was ready to cover "all" possible regressions, so in my experience even updating more frequently and getting more up to date software TW has been more solid for my use case (like, I can have a more up to date kernel or mesa or whatever, but am still protected from regressions from adopting new tech that may be not really ready yet).

I agree that this is not necessarily something that affects some spins and derivatives, and personally I would consoder something derived from OStree, but since I'm a tumbleweed user, Aeon/Kalpa have my back.


I will say that for people who like tinkering with new, not fully baked, tech, you can still do it with tumbleweed, and from the examples above I did so with pipewire. And also will say that there's nothing wrong with Fedora.

It is, I believe, necessary for the ecosystem to have distros like Fedora that are willing to "break" by default - to battle test new features, yes there's Arch and many others that can get software much more quickly and bleeding, even TW, but Fedora ships the packages on their ISO and dedicate time and effort to make it work, which is also absolutely essential.

Tumbleweed has a lot going for it, and it still boggles my mind that more distros (especially those using btrfs by default) don't have a similar out of the box setup with snapper. I'm back to playing with NixOS myself. A lot of distros have several aspects I like, but none of them are perfect for my needs / wants yet .

[DumbFsck]

I love me some Tumbleweed, but Fedora strikes a fairly unique balance of new stuff + solid testing (with paid humans even!). I have encountered far less bugs with Fedora 6 month releases than I have with Ubuntu 6 month releases. I also have better things to do than spend time maintaining a bunch of systems, which is why I'm on (Fedora Silverblue based) Bluefin now . Also, I don't expect Christian will be using anything but Fedora unless he changes jobs .

I did the exact opposite! Sometimes Fedora is a bit too quick for my liking and "quicker" than TW. Not in package versions, of course, but in tech stack changes. See for example Wayland and pipewire, tumbleweed stayed on X and Pulse for much longer, for pipewire they waited until wirepumbler was ready to cover "all" possible regressions, so in my experience even updating more frequently and getting more up to date software TW has been more solid for my use case (like, I can have a more up to date kernel or mesa or whatever, but am still protected from regressions from adopting new tech that may be not really ready yet).

I agree that this is not necessarily something that affects some spins and derivatives, and personally I would consoder something derived from OStree, but since I'm a tumbleweed user, Aeon/Kalpa have my back.


I will say that for people who like tinkering with new, not fully baked, tech, you can still do it with tumbleweed, and from the examples above I did so with pipewire. And also will say that there's nothing wrong with Fedora.

It is, I believe, necessary for the ecosystem to have distros like Fedora that are willing to "break" by default - to battle test new features, yes there's Arch and many others that can get software much more quickly and bleeding, even TW, but Fedora ships the packages on their ISO and dedicate time and effort to make it work, which is also absolutely essential.

[DumbFsck]

You have to update all the time. I didn't update TW like this a few months ago and it died. A friend of mine had the same fate.

Weird. One of my machines running TW was gathering dust for like a whole year, I recently turned it on again, a couple of months ago, did a zypper dup and all was well.

Luck of the draw I guess.

[logical]

Fedora is not a server distro, what makes you think it would be a good idea to run it on a server? Use RHEL, Alma, Rocky etc. For a desktop, for me with its 6 montly cycles it strikes the right balance between reliability and being up-to-date.

There is a server-specific install of Fedora, called ironically enough, Fedora Server. Fedora Workstation and Fedora Server are separate things.

[Rovano]

Me, for example. I have been using Fedora as a server distro for my home server since 2021. It works perfectly and stable. I really like SELinux. Every two months I do updates and restart it. Next week it has a planned update. This time, it will upgrade to the 41th version. It's very simple. I don't see any problems with update/release cycles.

2 months without security patches?

[Rovano]

You don't have to constantly update. You don't have to do it even on a rolling distro, let alone Fedora. I don't understand where this belief comes from that you have to install updates as soon as they roll out.

You have to update all the time. I didn't update TW like this a few months ago and it died. A friend of mine had the same fate.