Raspberry Pi OS Now Using Wayland By Default On All Models

[HEX0]

Of course it pisses me off, since it's the main cause why Linux's adoption it's still at 1-2 on consumer devices!
And that comes with a lot of downsides, like bad hardware and software support, besides other bad things.

But yeah, why would you care about that?
Since you're happy with the crappy support that Linux have from both hardware vendors and software vendors.

The only reason why linux isn't mainstream is because computers sold are usually preinstalled with windows. Windows has inertia and isn't going away any time soon. Also Zoomers grown up with smartphones and tablets and sizeable proportion of the younger generations are largely computer illiterate. PCs are on the decline. A lot of people don't have a PC in the household which they replaced with tablets and phones. Which leaves linux desktop in an extreme niche.

Also why would any developer in his spare time work on a project that he isn't interested in? Hobbyist developers write FOSS software that interests them. Then users who like the software may start to contribute to said project. Then companies who find the software useful may employ or sponsor developers to work on said project. It's how FOSS always was. Like it or not it's how humans operate and there will always be fragmentation which leaves you the end luser with almost limitless choice and freedom.

[horga83]

Of course it pisses me off, since it's the main cause why Linux's adoption it's still at 1-2 on consumer devices!
And that comes with a lot of downsides, like bad hardware and software support, besides other bad things.

But yeah, why would you care about that?
Since you're happy with the crappy support that Linux have from both hardware vendors and software vendors.

Except for the fact that Linux has some of the best hardware support bar none. Just try and get older hardware, for example, to run on modern OS's, oh sorry we don't provide a driver for that anymore. Well guess what, Linux still supports it, which is great, it saves it from the landfill. Linux also has very good software support, as almost all of it is FOSS so can be recompiled to suit. Yes, there are some commercial vendors that don't have Linux versions, many of those will work under wine. For the rest, well, make them irrelevant and try choose an Linux native alternative and then let the vendor know why you aren't buying their software anymore.

[Danny3]

I love NIH syndrome because it pisses you off.

Of course it pisses me off, since it's the main cause why Linux's adoption it's still at 1-2 on consumer devices!
And that comes with a lot of downsides, like bad hardware and software support, besides other bad things.

But yeah, why would you care about that?
Since you're happy with the crappy support that Linux have from both hardware vendors and software vendors.

[SViN]

I wish they had worked to improve the compositors of Plasma and Gnome to make sure these two most popular DEs work well on such low power devices!
I'm so tired of developers suffering from the NIH syndrome!

I love NIH syndrome because it pisses you off.

[vladpetric]

It's my computer, I paid money for it, how is an option to have a Task Bar and Start Menu "not a valid user wish"? Also, you say "yet another windows clone", but Gnome is clearly modelled on Windows 8 GUI. Except that Microsoft backtracked in Windows 10, because everyone agreed that full screen apps work on tablets, but don't work on desktop.

Let's face it, most software is written by people who think they know what users want or (worse) what users should want.

The free software world doesn't seem to provide any improvement in this direction (some would argue it's worse than the commercial world, but I really don't want to go there).

The realization that my wishes don't really matter in the grand scheme gave me quite a bit of piece of mind honestly.

[royce]

It's my computer, I paid money for it, how is an option to have a Task Bar and Start Menu "not a valid user wish"?

So because you paid money to Dell or whatever for your computer somehow gnome developers owe you features you want?

[access]

It's my computer, I paid money for it, how is an option to have a Task Bar and Start Menu "not a valid user wish"? Also, you say "yet another windows clone", but Gnome is clearly modelled on Windows 8 GUI. Except that Microsoft backtracked in Windows 10, because everyone agreed that full screen apps work on tablets, but don't work on desktop.

GNOME 3 was released in april 2011. Windows 8 in august 2012. Also, who did you buy your copy of GNOME from?

[OneTimeShot]

"Gnome should look and work just like Windows" is not a valid user wish. As much as you seath about it, the people who do the work stear the project. And they don't want to build yet another windows clone.

It's my computer, I paid money for it, how is an option to have a Task Bar and Start Menu "not a valid user wish"? Also, you say "yet another windows clone", but Gnome is clearly modelled on Windows 8 GUI. Except that Microsoft backtracked in Windows 10, because everyone agreed that full screen apps work on tablets, but don't work on desktop.

[reba]

The goal was not to make a flimsy 2D desktop, the goal was to produce a fully GPU accellerated modern desktop interface that enables all the effects and eye candy people on other platforms were already getting AND do that all while being able to be scripted in realtime. That is, by design, heavier then a LXDE would ever be. But is that heavy in the context of today and todays hardware? Nah.

labwc has a quite modern graphics stack and can run on GL or also fully Vulkan accellerated. Also, through wlroots, it probably supports more Wayland features than Gnome.

[intelfx]

Makes sense. An enterprise display system is overkill for these little consumer devices. Hobbyist / quick prototyping things are certainly better served with more direct pixel access, old MS-DOS style.

I guess it also helps funnel punters into Raspberry Pi's proprietary remote desktop system (Raspberry Pi Connect) since most UNIX VNC servers rely on X11 for session management. Proprietary viewers remind me of CarbonCopy for Windows 3.1 from the 90s. Progress is a funny thing.

Cope harder