Raspberry Pi OS Now Using Wayland By Default On All Models

[NateHubbard]

I wish they had worked to improve the compositors of Plasma and Gnome to make sure these two most popular DEs work well on such low power devices!
I'm so tired of developers suffering from the NIH syndrome!

Wouldn't they also require a ton more dependencies and memory usage though? Seems like the last thing you'd want on a low end device.

[kpedersen]

Wouldn't they also require a ton more dependencies and memory usage though? Seems like the last thing you'd want on a low end device.

It might work the other way. Put those monstrocities on a diet *until* they can work on (still very powerful) lower end devices.

[Julien Bear]

I wish they had worked to improve the compositors of Plasma and Gnome to make sure these two most popular DEs work well on such low power devices!
I'm so tired of developers suffering from the NIH syndrome!

The problems are the maintainers of the Gnome project, who are resistant to user wishes. And I lost hope that Gnome 3+ would be more lightweight 10 years ago.
Meanwhile the Raspberry OS developers reuse the LXDE project and labwc, which is based on wlroots, wasn't initially started by the Raspberry OS developers, too.

Edit: I would like to see a updated Raspberry Pi OS Version for desktop computers, the most recent version is still more then 2 years old.

[MamiyaOtaru]

Incredible. The update killed the desktop for many users. Users who had installed from the July image got the new compositor. Users who had installed from an earlier image, even if they then ran every update after that, were switched to the new compositor even though it wasn't installed so on reboot they just got a black screen.

"Updates to a pre-July image wouldn't have helped in this case. The issue was that for testing purposes, we manually added labwc to the July image as part of the image creation process, but didn't make it a dependency of anything (so that people wouldn't get it on an update back then); we then failed to spot that that was the only mechanism by which it was being installed this time around, so pushed this release without adding it as a dependency. All of my testing was based on the July image, so I never saw the problem..." - https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewt...75fa2#p2263742

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[NateHubbard]

It might work the other way. Put those monstrocities on a diet *until* they can work on (still very powerful) lower end devices.

Yeah, I'm way too old for wishful thinking.

[ahrs]

labwc is quite the excellent choice for the Pixel Desktop(Raspies LXDE continuation) and all for all it is still the better continuation of LXDE compared to the failure that is LXQt.

Did they port Pixel to modern GTK3 or GTK4? GTK2 makes no sense anymore in my opinion, especially if they're going to be targeting Wayland like this.

[Alexmitter]

The problems are the maintainers of the Gnome project, who are resistant to user wishes.

"Gnome should look and work just like Windows" is not a valid user wish. As much as you seath about it, the people who do the work stear the project. And they don't want to build yet another windows clone.

And I lost hope that Gnome 3+ would be more lightweight 10 years ago.

The goal was not to make a flimsy 2D desktop, the goal was to produce a fully GPU accellerated modern desktop interface that enables all the effects and eye candy people on other platforms were already getting AND do that all while being able to be scripted in realtime. That is, by design, heavier then a LXDE would ever be. But is that heavy in the context of today and todays hardware? Nah.

[intelfx]

Makes sense. An enterprise display system is overkill for these little consumer devices. Hobbyist / quick prototyping things are certainly better served with more direct pixel access, old MS-DOS style.

I guess it also helps funnel punters into Raspberry Pi's proprietary remote desktop system (Raspberry Pi Connect) since most UNIX VNC servers rely on X11 for session management. Proprietary viewers remind me of CarbonCopy for Windows 3.1 from the 90s. Progress is a funny thing.

Cope harder

[reba]

The goal was not to make a flimsy 2D desktop, the goal was to produce a fully GPU accellerated modern desktop interface that enables all the effects and eye candy people on other platforms were already getting AND do that all while being able to be scripted in realtime. That is, by design, heavier then a LXDE would ever be. But is that heavy in the context of today and todays hardware? Nah.

labwc has a quite modern graphics stack and can run on GL or also fully Vulkan accellerated. Also, through wlroots, it probably supports more Wayland features than Gnome.

[OneTimeShot]

"Gnome should look and work just like Windows" is not a valid user wish. As much as you seath about it, the people who do the work stear the project. And they don't want to build yet another windows clone.

It's my computer, I paid money for it, how is an option to have a Task Bar and Start Menu "not a valid user wish"? Also, you say "yet another windows clone", but Gnome is clearly modelled on Windows 8 GUI. Except that Microsoft backtracked in Windows 10, because everyone agreed that full screen apps work on tablets, but don't work on desktop.