Originally posted by aviallon
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Fedora 40 Plans To Unify /usr/bin & /usr/sbin
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Originally posted by cj.wijtmans View Post
Huh you cant think of anything? What about a command that works for root only. Sure a command should not work if its root only but why should it be visible to a non root user? /usr/bin is fine for user interactive programs like bash while /bin is fine for the lower operating system. Personally i just made a script for /usr/local/sbin. It has no place in to be in /usr/local/bin because non root user will never interact with it.
It allows mounting /usr/bin as nosuid
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Good. Access controls should be done by access controls (permissions, ACLs, whatever), not by random path choices.
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Originally posted by AlanTuring69 View Post
... I doubt that any new servers which are provisioned do anything fancy with the partition layout.
Originally posted by AlanTuring69 View Post...because doing that forces you to allocate some amount of disk space to different directories which cannot be changed without completely decommissioning the host for some amount of time with no gains that couldn't be had with bind mounting or similar...
Hence instead, we have long had hot-swapping, along with for flexibility and live upgrading the disk storage, we have long had the evolution of:- mdraid
- lvm
- btrfs
- nfs
- ceph
- hadoop
With the magic of bind, you can even do a brain transplant on a live running server without any disruption!
Since then, we've got the lazy scary tricks of moving live VMs around hardware. Even so, you still suffer a penalty of a brief service interruption whilst that VM is frozen to synchronise the last few blocks. (Better is to do the load balancing in flight via the proxies/routers, but "people are lazy...".)
All a game of whether you dumb the system down to point 'n' prey Containers, or whether you actually pay someone who actually understands how the systems work.
Meanwhile, datacentres and 'outsourcing' are cheap... And they are a good excuse for the Management to blame someone else...
Happy crunchin'!
Martin
Last edited by elml; 03 January 2024, 04:40 PM.
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Originally posted by sharpjs View Post
The right way to do this would be to explain what my logical claim was and how it was an oversimplification. Bonus points would accrue on presentation of an alternate claim.
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Originally posted by AlanTuring69 View Post
I have never once in my long career seen a server with a more complicated partition layout than a home computer. It is at most 3 partitions: EFI (boot), root, swap or maybe even 4 if you're slapping in some extra drives for whatever role the server is performing e.g. /var/lib/whatever for db server. Before EFI, it was common to see just 2 partitions. It doesn't make sense anymore. Red Hat knows this and knows their customer requirements, and having 4 separate places for binaries which should be exec'd by CLI just isn't it for 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999% people.Last edited by Mitch; 27 December 2023, 12:36 PM.
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Originally posted by ireri View PostJust put everything inside C:\
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No, usr is not "user", it means Universal System Resources, learn that already people.
Seriously, some directories only had historical reasons and kept used in totally chaotic ways. That's not UNIX standard, but stupidity.
Linux directory structure needs to be improved, streamlined, optimized, simplified and standarized. Currently, it's stupid and ridicule.
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I wonder what drugs people are on to come to such pointless changes. For all the good reasons the Unix gods have created it like over four decades ago. Who would not love hundreds or thousands pointless and unusable more binaries in their user's PATH and auto-complete for no good reasons, ... At least we still got https://cleanlinux.com for those who cares ;-)
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Originally posted by cj.wijtmans View Postyour idiocy is not worth my time.
The right way to do this would be to explain what my logical claim was and how it was an oversimplification. Bonus points would accrue on presentation of an alternate claim.
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