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  • SophTherapy
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    Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
    I recently wasted 20 minutes of my life on both Alma and Rocky and i have to say they are both garbage.

    Each of them claims that they have a major sponsor that gives each of them 1 million dollars and a bunch of smaller sponsors that give them additional funds.

    I find it hard to believe that either if a million dollar OS, I find I find it hard to believe they are a dollar OS.

    I broke both of them inside of a few minutes, just by trying to enable the fusion repos, something that you can find instructions on how to do all over the net and something that in theory should be supported considering Rocky explicitly thanks Fedora for being upstream from them.

    I also have trouble wrapping my head around this whole incestuous relationship between Red Hat and all these "Baby Bells".

    Red Hat, as a Linux OS, has existed since 1994. In the early 2000's, MS was being investigated by the U.S. Justice Department for being a supposed illegal monopoly and MS basically decided to create a competitor by giving RH a billion dollars.

    Red Hat took the money, restructured the corporation and spun off Fedora, a perpetually beta distro that would serve as a testing ground for stuff they wanted to include in their Enterprise Edition.

    Up until there I get it, Red Hat wanted a guinea pig so they didn't give their Enterprise customers half-baked software and Fedora users fit that bill nicely.

    Then it starts getting confusing. A bunch of Red Hat clones, like Scientific/Fermi Linux were created and one of them was CentOS.

    Whereas the other clones were available for free, CentOS seemed to have been created to compete Red Hat's official distro and if i recall correctly, RH supported this for a time.

    At some point RH realized they were being taken for suckers and absorbed CentOS into Red Hat in order to eliminate a competitor.

    Somewhere along the lines a bunch of Fedora spins and clones were created, because one can never have too many RH clones.

    Now we have Alma and Rocky and some others, that were taking and want to keep taking, the RH sources, stripping out the RH branding, and releasing their offering as bit for bit compatible with RH's official offering and clearly there's a lot of money at stake because as i mentioned Rocky and Alma claim to rake in at least a million bucks a year from just one sponsor.

    The real slap in the face is to the Fedora project, as they get a thank you but according to one poster that claimed to be associated with the Fedora KDE spin, they don't get a dime for their work.

    Furthermore, you realize that all these Red Hat clones are basically stealing RH's work because of two things, in order to be bit for bit compatible they can't change a single thing from the official offering and more importantly, RH release 9.3 and within hours everyone else released their version built from 9.3 sources, including some based in Europe and Asia.

    Which brings me to the last question, how are all these vendors doing what they are doing?

    I thought RH had taken steps to block them from getting the source code, did RH back off?

    If not, were did Alma, Rocky, Euro, get the sources to build their versions?

    At this point i am tired of all of them, i would mush rather if they hired a board of directors with a vision and combined all the projects into one distro, with the aim of creating the best damn OS,

    I am talking about Rocky, Alma, Euro, Oracle, and Fedora. Stop worrying about Red Hat, most of them are flush with cash from corporate sponsorships, work together not in the half-assed open source way, where someone somewhere releases code that someone else can use, but in a structured corporate way, this is what we agree a distro should offer, we will work on this and you will work on that and we have a deadline that on 6 months we will have a functioning product for general testing.

    Once we iron out all the kinks, we stop updating packages for the sake of incrementing the release numbers, we work one creating an all-encompassing API like DX, we work on creating unique custom applications that the general public wants.

    Windows has been such a successful product because of how stable and reliable it was. I have seen old cash registers still in use today that run Windows CE, a Dreamcast OS still works today, I know people that still use computers running 32-but XP SP2, i personally used 2k SP4 for years and same with XP64, and people still cling to Win 7 for dear life.

    The Linux world seems to have the opposite sickness, that they need to constantly be updating everything, they can never mark a product as final.

    The problem is that one update can break a Linux system in no time.

    The Linux ecosystem really needs to reevaluate how they do things.
    Hello everybody,

    I would like to apologize for my posts under nickname "sophisticles" and "hel88".

    the thing is, I am very sick person. Schizophrenia with manic depression.
    When I'm on my medication like now, I feel ashamed for the things that I do when not on medication.

    For example, when I'm not using my therapy properly I get this crazy tendency to troll on linux forums. For that devious purpose I am using nicknames "sophisticles" and "hel88". under those nicknames I write crazy, insane things. when I am on regular therapy like now, I cannot believe the crap that I wrote under those 2 nicknames.

    overall, I would like all of you to know that I don't really mean what I write under those 2 nicknames and also, I love linux, open source and gpl. and yes, microsoft sucks.​

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  • Freeasabird
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    Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
    I recently wasted 20 minutes of my life on both Alma and Rocky and i have to say they are both garbage.

    Each of them claims that they have a major sponsor that gives each of them 1 million dollars and a bunch of smaller sponsors that give them additional funds.

    I find it hard to believe that either if a million dollar OS, I find I find it hard to believe they are a dollar OS.

    I broke both of them inside of a few minutes, just by trying to enable the fusion repos, something that you can find instructions on how to do all over the net and something that in theory should be supported considering Rocky explicitly thanks Fedora for being upstream from them.

    I also have trouble wrapping my head around this whole incestuous relationship between Red Hat and all these "Baby Bells".

    Red Hat, as a Linux OS, has existed since 1994. In the early 2000's, MS was being investigated by the U.S. Justice Department for being a supposed illegal monopoly and MS basically decided to create a competitor by giving RH a billion dollars.

    Red Hat took the money, restructured the corporation and spun off Fedora, a perpetually beta distro that would serve as a testing ground for stuff they wanted to include in their Enterprise Edition.

    Up until there I get it, Red Hat wanted a guinea pig so they didn't give their Enterprise customers half-baked software and Fedora users fit that bill nicely.

    Then it starts getting confusing. A bunch of Red Hat clones, like Scientific/Fermi Linux were created and one of them was CentOS.

    Whereas the other clones were available for free, CentOS seemed to have been created to compete Red Hat's official distro and if i recall correctly, RH supported this for a time.

    At some point RH realized they were being taken for suckers and absorbed CentOS into Red Hat in order to eliminate a competitor.

    Somewhere along the lines a bunch of Fedora spins and clones were created, because one can never have too many RH clones.

    Now we have Alma and Rocky and some others, that were taking and want to keep taking, the RH sources, stripping out the RH branding, and releasing their offering as bit for bit compatible with RH's official offering and clearly there's a lot of money at stake because as i mentioned Rocky and Alma claim to rake in at least a million bucks a year from just one sponsor.

    The real slap in the face is to the Fedora project, as they get a thank you but according to one poster that claimed to be associated with the Fedora KDE spin, they don't get a dime for their work.

    Furthermore, you realize that all these Red Hat clones are basically stealing RH's work because of two things, in order to be bit for bit compatible they can't change a single thing from the official offering and more importantly, RH release 9.3 and within hours everyone else released their version built from 9.3 sources, including some based in Europe and Asia.

    Which brings me to the last question, how are all these vendors doing what they are doing?

    I thought RH had taken steps to block them from getting the source code, did RH back off?

    If not, were did Alma, Rocky, Euro, get the sources to build their versions?

    At this point i am tired of all of them, i would mush rather if they hired a board of directors with a vision and combined all the projects into one distro, with the aim of creating the best damn OS,

    I am talking about Rocky, Alma, Euro, Oracle, and Fedora. Stop worrying about Red Hat, most of them are flush with cash from corporate sponsorships, work together not in the half-assed open source way, where someone somewhere releases code that someone else can use, but in a structured corporate way, this is what we agree a distro should offer, we will work on this and you will work on that and we have a deadline that on 6 months we will have a functioning product for general testing.

    Once we iron out all the kinks, we stop updating packages for the sake of incrementing the release numbers, we work one creating an all-encompassing API like DX, we work on creating unique custom applications that the general public wants.

    Windows has been such a successful product because of how stable and reliable it was. I have seen old cash registers still in use today that run Windows CE, a Dreamcast OS still works today, I know people that still use computers running 32-but XP SP2, i personally used 2k SP4 for years and same with XP64, and people still cling to Win 7 for dear life.

    The Linux world seems to have the opposite sickness, that they need to constantly be updating everything, they can never mark a product as final.

    The problem is that one update can break a Linux system in no time.

    The Linux ecosystem really needs to reevaluate how they do things.
    sophisticles

    Hello everybody

    I would like to apologise for my insane rants which I post under the name "Sophisticles"
    The thing is, I am mentally ill. Bipolar plus schizophrenia. When I am on the medication like now, I'm good.
    However if I skip my medication I get this crazy tendency to troll on linux forums.
    Of course, everything I say under the name "sophisticles" is complete garbage. Do not take me seriously.
    When I'm on medication, I realise that linux is great and winblows is complete crap.
    Once again, I am sorry if I offended anyone, I love you all, and I love linux.​

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  • Freeasabird
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    [QUOTE=sophisticles;n1426619
    a bunch of moronic crap written by insane version of me

    [/QUOTE]

    I would like to apologise to everybody for my insane rants.

    You see I am a mental patient having bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.

    When I skip my medicatiomđp



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  • mSparks
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    Originally posted by sophisticles View Post

    That is nowhere near a fair or accurate assessment.

    Red Hat took other people's software, like various tools from GNU, the Linux kernel, various shells, they created rpm and then combined everything into functioning OS, much like Slackware and Debian started out.

    Each of these projects branded the final product with a unique offering.

    In the case of Debian and RH, they both contributed heavily to numerous other projects.

    This is vastly different from what Rocky, Oracle, Alma, Euro, Fermi, et al, have done and do, which is take RH's final product, strip out the RH branding and add their own branding with the promise that it will be bit for bit functionally identical.
    However, RH recently started pirating them, losing any and all rights to contribute any further in the process. Not that they are capable now that all their competent developers have moved on. (By definition anyone left is incompetent)

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  • sophisticles
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    Originally posted by mSparks View Post
    Redhat only ever repackaged other peoples source code and slapped their branding on it
    That is nowhere near a fair or accurate assessment.

    Red Hat took other people's software, like various tools from GNU, the Linux kernel, various shells, they created rpm and then combined everything into functioning OS, much like Slackware and Debian started out.

    Each of these projects branded the final product with a unique offering.

    In the case of Debian and RH, they both contributed heavily to numerous other projects.

    This is vastly different from what Rocky, Oracle, Alma, Euro, Fermi, et al, have done and do, which is take RH's final product, strip out the RH branding and add their own branding with the promise that it will be bit for bit functionally identical.

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  • mSparks
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    Originally posted by spicfoo View Post

    Jim doesn’t work for Red Hat or IBM anymore fyi
    indeed, after stepping down because he knew not even he could save RH from IBM. hes currently filling 265+ positions at unity

    According to Neowin, Unity has just announced that it will partially terminate its agreement with Weta Digital, causing 265 employees to be laid off. Reuters reports that the cuts will affect positions related to professional services contracts with Weta FX, the effects company


    with devs he knows and trusts, and who dont believe in software piracy.
    Last edited by mSparks; 07 December 2023, 11:25 PM.

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  • spicfoo
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    Originally posted by mSparks View Post

    Very nice day, since I just realised Jim Whitehurst is now busy gutting redhat of every employee worth employing.
    Jim doesn’t work for Red Hat or IBM anymore fyi

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  • mSparks
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    Originally posted by spicfoo View Post
    Have a nice day
    Very nice day, especially since I just realised Jim Whitehurst is now busy gutting redhat of every employee worth employing. I can only imagine the rage on the faces of those who decided to turn RH into a piracy house, but even that is glorious.
    Last edited by mSparks; 07 December 2023, 11:05 PM.

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  • spicfoo
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    Originally posted by mSparks View Post

    They used to distribute exact copies of their software under the gpl as centos. iirc centos was set up as part of one of their court settlements. .
    You are likely misremembering the history here since there aren't any court settlements associated with this. If you find otherwise later, feel free to link me to a source.

    Originally posted by mSparks View Post
    What you licenced from them under that agreement was then "just" their branding, which was required for support..
    Now they licence everything under that agreement, which is piracy.
    Comprehensive analysis here:
    This article was originally published primarily as a response to IBM's Red Hat's change to no longer publish complete, corresponding source (CCS) for RHEL and the prior discontinuation of CentOS Linux (which are related events, as described below). We hope that this will serve as a comprehensive document that discusses the history of Red Hat's RHEL business model, the related source code provisioning, and the GPL compliance issues with RHEL.
    The agreement you linked earlier always covered all of the software and not just branding since its a support agreement. The branding itself is covered by a separate trademark license. This is actually very similar to what other commercial distros like SUSE does. What has actually changed is nothing in any of their agreements but their public source distribution practices. Now coming to the link provided, I have read SFC before and it is a good analysis. They never directly claim any current violations of the license however. If they really thought there was a direct violation, they would sue. They had no problem with suing so many other companies before. Your source just reaffirms my understanding of this issue but I appreciate the conversation. Have a nice day

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  • mSparks
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    Originally posted by spicfoo View Post

    Can you provide a source for this? I see the exact same verbiage in the support agreement all the way back to RHEL 2.1, their first enterprise release from 2002 and nothing has changed there as far as I can tell.
    They used to distribute exact copies of their software under the gpl as centos. iirc centos was set up as part of one of their court settlements.
    What you licenced from them under that agreement was then "just" their branding, which was required for support. Sketchy but "not piracy".

    Now they licence everything under that agreement, which is piracy.

    Comprehensive analysis here:
    This article was originally published primarily as a response to IBM's Red Hat's change to no longer publish complete, corresponding source (CCS) for RHEL and the prior discontinuation of CentOS Linux (which are related events, as described below). We hope that this will serve as a comprehensive document that discusses the history of Red Hat's RHEL business model, the related source code provisioning, and the GPL compliance issues with RHEL.


    Doesn't go far enough imho.

    F em, and the horse they rode in on, I fucking hate software pirates.

    Also, given the OP, three cheers for alma linux. I also wouldn't be surprised if they pick up some of the better red hat staff that are good enough to not depend on software piracy to sell stuff, lets face it, only the useless devs that will struggle to find other work will want that black mark on their CV any longer than absolutely necessary. Heck, at this point in time useless devs that no one else wants may well be the only ones left on Redhats payroll, they already lost their experienced C suite guys with dev experience.

    Jim Whitehurst went to fix unity
    Last edited by mSparks; 07 December 2023, 10:48 PM.

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