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  • rogerx
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2013
    • 387

    #61
    Never really used any of those bloated desktop GUIs (eg. Gnome, KDE, ...) and I do not use or particularly like Wayland.

    X11/dwm and/or a terminal are all I need.

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    • smitty3268
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2008
      • 6956

      #62
      I don't think I've ever seen so many likes in a Phoronix comment section.

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      • NotMine999
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2014
        • 1032

        #63
        Originally posted by andresdju View Post

        Let avis socialize, it has been respectful.
        Avis may be annoying for sure, but sometimes that annoyance can be absolutely entertaining.

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        • NotMine999
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2014
          • 1032

          #64
          Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
          I don't think I've ever seen so many likes in a Phoronix comment section.
          I wonder if Phoronix ever had a 'Dislike' feature? And if so, where did it go? get lost in some update along the digital highway of life?

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          • ClosedSource
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2022
            • 279

            #65
            If there was a "Dislike" button, I would post "I love X11, Oracle, IBM, OpenGL, and java".
            And "Nvidia" too.
            Last edited by ClosedSource; 20 September 2023, 02:45 AM.

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            • Mez'
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 1157

              #66
              Originally posted by C8292 View Post

              It's for sure revelant for you to take the time to come here and spread FUD and hate.

              Fedora is awesome. It's my daily driver. For me and for my 150 student classes.

              Fedora Bodhi is an awesome quality assurance process that most distros don't have.

              Fedora has been pushing things forward for years and thankfully in a very smooth tech combination.

              I'm thankful for it and replying to you from my kinoite Wayland session 😘
              Right.
              Fedora has made you think they pushed things forward. Red Hat are good at influencing people into thinking their stuff is good, but they've been holding back Linux desktop for years. I really wish there was a distribution not using a single piece of software designed by Red Hat. It would probably actually push things forward.

              I'm also using Wayland, that was not the point.

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              • oiaohm
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2017
                • 8430

                #67
                Originally posted by Mez' View Post
                I really wish there was a distribution not using a single piece of software designed by Red Hat. It would probably actually push things forward
                That not in fact possible and use the Linux kernel. Remember sections of the Linux kernel was designed by RedHat developers so there are pieces of software designed by Redhat developers inside the Linux kernel in fact in core parts of the kernel

                Yes the BSD you do find different bits that were in fact made by Redhat Developers.

                What you have said you want to see would be one hell of a challenge to get something Linux competitive..

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                • C8292
                  Phoronix Member
                  • Jan 2020
                  • 70

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Mez' View Post
                  Right.
                  but they've been holding back Linux desktop for years
                  such as or how?

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                  • avis
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2022
                    • 2252

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Mez' View Post
                    Right.
                    Fedora has made you think they pushed things forward. Red Hat are good at influencing people into thinking their stuff is good, but they've been holding back Linux desktop for years. I really wish there was a distribution not using a single piece of software designed by Red Hat. It would probably actually push things forward.

                    I'm also using Wayland, that was not the point.
                    This is the cringest comment from a Linux fan I've seen in 25 years. It's not just wrong, it looks like as it it was made in an alternative universe entirely.

                    RedHat has given us:
                    • A stable distribution you can run up to 12 years while maintaining the same software stack and kernel drivers
                    • A hassle free power audio system, PulseAudio and then PipeWire (ALSA with dmix was a hell to set up, esound/artsd never really worked correctly)
                    • systemd (Luddites hate it but it's allowed to speed up the boot process by a factor of 10 or more, it simplified and removed the need for pages long fragile bash scripts, it streamlined system configuration)
                    • The company has maintained and contributed to the Gnome software stack and related libraries, the Linux kernel, the Xorg server, Wayland we are discussing now and many others
                    • A ton of enterprise Linux features including KVM, docker, flatpack, etc. etc.
                    Without RedHat Linux would have been taken back by at least a decade or two.

                    Fedora may look like it's an experimental distro except I've been running it without major issues since version 1.0. I only skipped a couple of releases when systemd was first introduced: it was really rough but the company needed to break it in.

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                    • user1
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2019
                      • 1109

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Mez' View Post
                      Fedora has made you think they pushed things forward. Red Hat are good at influencing people into thinking their stuff is good, but they've been holding back Linux desktop for years.
                      Without Red Hat (and Valve to a certain extent), the Linux desktop would've been stuck in the early 2000's, when you had to manually configure things like xorg.conf and pray it'll even work on your hardware. So it's an illusion to think that without Red Hat, Linux would magically move forward. Maybe you know another company which can move it forward? no? Because you know, you need corporate support to really push things forward. And separate volunteers / hobbyists who do it for free can't do it single handedly. I'm not saying absolutely everything what Red Hat does is perfect, but thinking it has an alternative is schizophrenic.

                      Originally posted by Mez' View Post
                      I really wish there was a distribution not using a single piece of software designed by Red Hat. It would probably actually push things forward.
                      I know for some people it's cool hating on everything related to Red Hat, but like it or not, Red Hat is behind many of the freedesktop standards like dbus, which are used in virtually every Linux distro and as said above, it's also behind significant contributions to the Linux kernel. So you can't really "get away" from it. If you don't like it, stop using Linux.

                      And now, please can you give us a comprehensive explanation of how does Red Hat "hold back" the Linux desktop instead of spewing baseless hate?
                      Last edited by user1; 20 September 2023, 10:12 AM.

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