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  • #21
    I too think bcachefs or btrfs are where it's at, seeing as there are no licensing issues and they have most of the features that make ZFS great, but they're immature. ZFS is just too good in comparison right now.

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    • #22
      That is/was for to only interesting thing left about Ubuntu (and maybe the fonts)

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      • #23
        Why not a community effort, non Amerika based to create a good immutable distro that uses ZFS and doesn't care about shitty Oracle? Actually we have NixOS... but that's a different beast

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        • #24
          Originally posted by timofonic View Post

          Why not?

          You never should underestimate the stubbornness of a software engineer.

          Linux achieved success with just the creation of an humble UNIX kernel clone.

          Also, Kent worked at storage divisions of big corpos such as Google. I'm sure the so much crap saw in their infrastructures motivated him to start the insane task of making a new and modern filesystem for Linux.

          Anyway, sorry for the offtopic...
          Linux got where it is after:

          * 30 years of development
          * an inifinte number of man hours
          * an infinite amount of money poured on it
          * infinite battle tests on every hardware and software condition

          Stubbornness is not a replacement for this all.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by horizonbrave View Post
            Why not a community effort, non Amerika based to create a good immutable distro that uses ZFS and doesn't care about shitty Oracle? Actually we have NixOS... but that's a different beast
            You just made that comment in a thread about a Linux distribution from a BRICS nation that's both implementing ZFS and working on an immutable version of their distribution. Then again, you said "good immutable distro" and "good" does not describe any existing immutable distribution that isn't DIY like NixOS so that's a trick question. My answer implies that Ubuntu Core is a good distribution and I don't even agree with that. Immutable and stuck with Snaps? Eww. Gross.

            If you really want to tighten down that Anti-American tin foil hat, OpenZFS is funded by the US Department of Energy and the National Nuclear Security Administration while being worked on in an American government funded laboratory, the LLNL, that was originally started to ensure America wasn't technologically surpassed by the Soviet Union and other Communists. OpenZFS is as AmeriKKKa as it gets. Started by a Capitalist Company and funded via Militaristic Socialism.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by cynic View Post

              Linux got where it is after:

              * 30 years of development
              * an inifinte number of man hours
              * an infinite amount of money poured on it
              * infinite battle tests on every hardware and software condition

              Stubbornness is not a replacement for this all.
              I would argue that your examples only exist because of extreme stubbornness! Those achievements would only be possible if pathologically stubborn people had not pushed this forward with a borderline fanaticism (specifically the battle testing).

              Just look at the recent bcachefs debacle. If the dev (Kent) was not vastly more stubborn than I was, this would never have even made it into linux-next. I would say 90% of people would have given up far earlier.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by zexelon View Post

                I would argue that your examples only exist because of extreme stubbornness! Those achievements would only be possible if pathologically stubborn people had not pushed this forward with a borderline fanaticism (specifically the battle testing).

                Just look at the recent bcachefs debacle. If the dev (Kent) was not vastly more stubborn than I was, this would never have even made it into linux-next. I would say 90% of people would have given up far earlier.
                Stubbornness is the key to success! Stubbornnix!
                Last edited by timofonic; 14 September 2023, 01:46 PM. Reason: typo

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

                  You just made that comment in a thread about a Linux distribution from a BRICS nation that's both implementing ZFS and working on an immutable version of their distribution. Then again, you said "good immutable distro" and "good" does not describe any existing immutable distribution that isn't DIY like NixOS so that's a trick question. My answer implies that Ubuntu Core is a good distribution and I don't even agree with that. Immutable and stuck with Snaps? Eww. Gross.

                  If you really want to tighten down that Anti-American tin foil hat, OpenZFS is funded by the US Department of Energy and the National Nuclear Security Administration while being worked on in an American government funded laboratory, the LLNL, that was originally started to ensure America wasn't technologically surpassed by the Soviet Union and other Communists. OpenZFS is as AmeriKKKa as it gets. Started by a Capitalist Company and funded via Militaristic Socialism.
                  Canonical is based in the UK which is not in BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa)

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by fallingcats View Post

                    Canonical is based in the UK which is not in BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa)
                    I got Canonical mixed up with their Funder and Founder who is from South Africa. Honest Mistake.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by curfew View Post
                      It's basic knowledge that df -h doesn't report accurate readings on Btrfs. You cannot seriously claim to be a system admin running Btrfs disks if you don't know that. Don't blame the fs when you have zero idea of what you are doing yourself.
                      I was going to post the same thing.
                      btrfs filesystem usage -T

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