Fedora 40 Looks To Offer KDE Plasma 6 Desktop, Drop The KDE X11 Session

[uid313]

I just tried KDE's text editor Kate yesterday. It was awful! What a shit! 👎

[reba]

Funny to see all the usual clowns turn up. What a show.

[sindex]

The fuck are you smoking? lol Driver's had issues because they weren't properly updated to support said graphics stack. I remember my 3D animation professor even saying that the reason the lab computers were still on XP was because hardware renderer was effecting Softimage at the time.

Did you forget that Vista was really, really poorly received?

So are you ever going to take a leave from bitching on the Internet to actually learn about the things you're talking about? Did you ever think, in your hundreds of rants about what is or isn't good programming, that you should learn how to program? You've said something along the lines of "I only talk about things that I'm well-research on" but in reality you're just over-confident about your knowledge about things and actively ignore any information and all information from people who are better informed than you.

I had to actively link back to previous arguments we had for awhile just so that you couldn't constantly act like you weren't already corrected about something before.

It's the reason why, as avis, you've made it a point not to respond to my posts lol

It was poorly received because most things were expected to just work as it was an OS for the masses. It did have bugs which is no surprise as many critical subsystems were overhauled but even then most were caused by old drivers and many complaints were due to weak hardware. It was still a LOT better than the shitshow that has been the Wayland transition.

[Vistaus]

Global shortcuts and screen recording both work on Wayland.

The Wayland implementation in qt/kde5 was (at times?) buggy (for instance I am unaware of any screen freezing on gnome-shell) and the developers are confident that those bugs are/will be resolved in Qt6/KDE6.]

It is interesting that the KDE community is moving faster in deprecating the X11 backend as normally you will get the haters either blaming gnome or Red Hat. This gives a different dynamic.

Equally, I am unaware of any screen freezes in Qt/KDE 5 Wayland. It works pretty much bug-free (as far as bug-free is possible, of course) on my system.

[Vistaus]

I just tried KDE's text editor Kate yesterday. It was awful! What a shit! 👎

Thank you, finally someone that agrees with me! I love KDE and it's my daily driver, but Kate is one of the very few things that's awful. The last few times I said that, I received a lot of backlash for not liking Kate, but now there's finally someone that agrees with me!

[guglovich]

Once again Wayland is being presented as a non-beta development.

[Thaodan]

I tried KDE Wayland. It does work quite well, if only using Qt apps I didn't notice any issues.
But GTK apps on the other hands can be a nightmare. GTK just kills apps from the inside if the Wayland server looses the connection, all the data is lost.

[mxan]

Good to see Plasma goes in Fedora main. Although this is just a suggestion yet, it shows confidence in the timely release and quality of Plasma.

If you read the discussion posts about why they're forcing KDE to Wayland, it's not about the quality of KDE, it's actually more about the fact Red Hat are going to drop XOrg in RHEL 10 (CentOS Stream 10 will be forked from Fedora 40 early next year, which means RHEL 10 will be due out in 2025).

Why does RHEL dropping XOrg matter, especially when RHEL doesn't even ship KDE? Because a few Red Hat employees are the *only* people actually maintaining XOrg, and once it's gone from RHEL, you can say goodbye to XOrg being maintained at all.

https://pagure.io/fedora-kde/SIG/issue/347

It's also why Red Hat developers have been working to finally remove GNOME's final few hard dependencies on XOrg (yes GNOME still has some - KDE doesn't!) so they can build GNOME in a Wayland-only configuration.

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/2272

[fallingcats]

It is interesting that the KDE community is moving faster in deprecating the X11 backend as normally you will get the haters either blaming gnome or Red Hat. This gives a different dynamic.

This change is coming from Fedora. Meanwhile KDE devs arn't even unanimous if they want to default to wayland for plasma 6.0

[mSparks]

On the bright side. by the time fedora 40 drops all my desktops will almost certainly be on oracle linux and this ongoing stupidity will be someone elses problem.