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  • boPt
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    Originally posted by sb56637 View Post
    Ah, sorry, I also later realized that was what you meant. ;-)


    Quite well, it's probably 95% there. It's just the last 5% of polish and testing that takes 80% of the development time.
    Awesome. I'll find time to stop by and see what I can do to help. Bon chance!

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  • sb56637
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    Ah, sorry, I also later realized that was what you meant. ;-)

    Originally posted by boPt View Post
    How's the rebase off Debian 12 progressing btw?
    Quite well, it's probably 95% there. It's just the last 5% of polish and testing that takes 80% of the development time.

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  • boPt
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    Originally posted by sb56637 View Post

    Hi there, SpiralLinux creator here. Thanks a lot for the recommendation. Although I wouldn't say that SpiralLinux applies niceties provided by Canonical, as it's built directly with unmodified Debian packages from the official Debian repos. At the bottom of the SpiralLinux website there is a list of the projects that differentiate it from vanilla Debian, most notably Antynea/grub-btrfs, Snapper, jrabinow/snapper-rollback, and Calamares, none of which are from Canonical.
    Thanks for the clarification! I worded that badly. I think I meant 'similar to' rather than 'provided by'. The perils pf bashing out responses on a phone eh? How's the rebase off Debian 12 progressing btw?

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  • sb56637
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    Originally posted by boPt View Post

    An example of a really slick Debian based desktop distro in the style of LMDE is Spiral Linux. They take Debian and apply many of the niceties provided by Canonical.



    Cheers!
    Hi there, SpiralLinux creator here. Thanks a lot for the recommendation. Although I wouldn't say that SpiralLinux applies niceties provided by Canonical, as it's built directly with unmodified Debian packages from the official Debian repos. At the bottom of the SpiralLinux website there is a list of the projects that differentiate it from vanilla Debian, most notably Antynea/grub-btrfs, Snapper, jrabinow/snapper-rollback, and Calamares, none of which are from Canonical.

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  • boPt
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    Originally posted by W-Floyd View Post

    It was a genuine question. My phrasing was perhaps a little poor, what I meant was: why does Mint base itself off Ubuntu and not Debian. I understand for an end user Debian has a steeper learning curve than Ubuntu, but as a base for Mint, I'm not seeing the benefit of Ubuntu over Debian.
    Its history. Mint arose as a reaction to an unpopular decision by Canonical i.e. shipping without media codecs pre-installed.

    As time went by Clem & the team added gui tools which made DESKTOP users lives easier.

    Mint then reacted to the decision to ditch Gnome 2 for Gnome 3 by forking Gnome 2 into Mate & creating a more acceptable GTK3 based desktop in the form of Cinnamon.

    By continuing to base off Ubuntu they retain the benefit of the newer packages & tweaks which Canonical supply. LMDE has always been offered as an eneegency fall back in case Canonical do something REALLY weird lol.

    The advent of Snaps has provided Mint another opportunity to differentiate itself as a refusnik DESKTOP which very deliberately removes Snap support. LMDE soldiers on as the emergency fall back.

    I believe it would be a ton of extra work for Mint to rebase solely off Debian however I also believe that Snap is here to stay & unlileky to fail unless Canonical does something *really* idiotic.

    An example of a really slick Debian based desktop distro in the style of LMDE is Spiral Linux. They take Debian and apply many of the niceties provided by Canonical.



    I suspect Mint will remain Ubuntu based for the forseeable future because its just easier for them frankly.

    Cheers!
    Last edited by boPt; 20 September 2023, 07:47 PM.

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  • W-Floyd
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    Originally posted by boPt View Post
    Assuming its a genuine question and not just trolling ... Debian leaves A LOT to the end user. If I'm wanting to install a simple server, Debian is ok. If I'm installing a desktop Ubuntu brings a lot of tweaks & help with it that make life easier. Not all of us have endless hours to fiddle. Also Canonical garnered a big installed base which makes it easier to get support of tge 'how to' nature. Ultimately i see it as a matter of taste & convenience. Its not religion.
    It was a genuine question. My phrasing was perhaps a little poor, what I meant was: why does Mint base itself off Ubuntu and not Debian. I understand for an end user Debian has a steeper learning curve than Ubuntu, but as a base for Mint, I'm not seeing the benefit of Ubuntu over Debian.

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  • boPt
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    Originally posted by W-Floyd View Post
    I'm curious at this stage what benefit Ubuntu brings vs. Debian as a base distro. I so often hear of Mint as an alternative to Ubuntu that fixes some of it's issues, why not avoid it altogether and use Debian as the base?
    Assuming its a genuine question and not just trolling ... Debian leaves A LOT to the end user. If I'm wanting to install a simple server, Debian is ok. If I'm installing a desktop Ubuntu brings a lot of tweaks & help with it that make life easier. Not all of us have endless hours to fiddle. Also Canonical garnered a big installed base which makes it easier to get support of tge 'how to' nature. Ultimately i see it as a matter of taste & convenience. Its not religion.

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  • piorunz
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    Originally posted by sophisticles View Post

    MX Linux is nice, I like what they do with their MX Tools but it only offers XFCE and KDE, while I hate both of those and only use Mate. If you attempt to install Mate on either variant both DE's break and the whole distro is effectively useless.

    On top of that, MX Linux does not play nice with Windows in a dual boot environment. Every time I have tried to set up a Windows/MX Linux dual boot, both OSes were left unbootable with a grub error.

    Linux Mint in general, for me at least, is too unstable, it tends to break, whether it's the Ubuntu or the Debian variant.
    What you use Windows dual boot for? Why not VM?
    Also, if you are unhappy with MX or Mint stability, just use pure Debian. It works.

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  • sophisticles
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    Originally posted by piorunz View Post

    Linux Mint it too late to the party, MX Linux didn't wait and just did it, they are based purely on Debian, and are first on Distrowatch. Ubuntu and it's derivatives are slowly fading away.
    MX Linux is nice, I like what they do with their MX Tools but it only offers XFCE and KDE, while I hate both of those and only use Mate. If you attempt to install Mate on either variant both DE's break and the whole distro is effectively useless.

    On top of that, MX Linux does not play nice with Windows in a dual boot environment. Every time I have tried to set up a Windows/MX Linux dual boot, both OSes were left unbootable with a grub error.

    Linux Mint in general, for me at least, is too unstable, it tends to break, whether it's the Ubuntu or the Debian variant.
    Last edited by sophisticles; 14 September 2023, 10:29 PM.

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  • espi
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    <sarcasm> I think Debian should stop providing source code to prevent those freeloaders at Canonical from benefiting from their code... </sarcasm>

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