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  • #11
    Originally posted by ClosedSource View Post

    The reason is obvious. Ubuntu is expected one day go the way of the Red Hat EL. Debian is a solid backup plan.
    If you talk about the regular Ubuntu desktop, then I'm not sure that'll happen. It's still a regular consumer distro unlike RHEL, which is for specific purpose and which was always a paid product. I think what is way more likely to happen is that someday Canonical will simply abandon the Debian base for Ubuntu because of Ubuntu's continued Snapisation. Have you heard about the Ubuntu Core desktop that's going to be released next year? It's an basically an immutable Ubuntu only with Snaps.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by user1 View Post

      If you talk about the regular Ubuntu desktop, then I'm not sure that'll happen. It's still a regular consumer distro unlike RHEL, which is for specific purpose and which was always a paid product. I think what is way more likely to happen is that someday Canonical will simply abandon the Debian base for Ubuntu because of Ubuntu's continued Snapisation. Have you heard about the Ubuntu Core desktop that's going to be released next year? It's an basically an immutable Ubuntu only with Snaps.
      Yes. I read about it. Good point. It's also very possible as you mentioned that Canonical will simply abandon the Debian base at time point. However, it likely won't happen tomorrow because even the core portion of the operating system can benefit from the large number of Debian's contributors versus the relatively small number of Canonical employees.
      Additionally, consumer distro doesn't necessarily mean free (even in the non-existing Linux desktop market because of you look at RHEL9.2, it's the most polished Gnome-shell installation you can find) especially with Canonical's NIH syndrome which they might decided to capitalize on monetizing at some point and this was a concern after the Red Hat fiasco.

      This is of course all speculation. Ubuntu might remain free forever.
      Last edited by ClosedSource; 13 September 2023, 09:52 AM.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Flaburgan View Post


        Do you have sources for this, or is it just your feeling?

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        I've just seen in the past few years more people recommending Nobara, Fedora, openSUSE, Debian than Linux Mint.
        At least compared to the years before when Linux Mint was the king of recommendations.
        I haven't kept track of how many recomendations got each distro to provide actual numbers.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Danny3 View Post
          What's the point of this?
          What changes it does on top of Debian?
          The point with LMDE is what Canonical is doing with snap. You can't really have a viable desktop without a functional modern browser. Canonical is pushing that into snap, which is tied to Canonical. Over time Canonical is going to be pushing more and more user space into snaps. Keeping Firefox in package native format (debs) is becoming increasingly problematic even though there's a few issues still with the official Mozilla flatpak version (notably the one I run into on Debian is it still can't access Yubikeys directly). So Debian + flatpaks where needed is a more viable way forward for 3rd party distros than Ubuntu. Also, there's a side benefit. The majority of corporate servers run on Debian stable, so people using LMDE can directly develop their software natively on bare metal if they so wish. (Yes, I know a lot of them use containers, but you don't want to know my opinion on that steaming ... )

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          • #15
            Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

            The whole point of LMDE is to be Mint's backup plan in case Ubuntu ceases to exist.
            And what if Debian also ceases to exist? I know, slim chance, but I don't see Ubuntu going anywhere in the next few decades either. Debian has the same chance of disappearing and if they both do, then where are they going to go? Time for LMOE and LMAE as well?

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            • #16
              Originally posted by Danny3 View Post

              I've just seen in the past few years more people recommending Nobara, Fedora, openSUSE, Debian than Linux Mint.
              At least compared to the years before when Linux Mint was the king of recommendations.
              I haven't kept track of how many recomendations got each distro to provide actual numbers.
              Same.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

                And what if Debian also ceases to exist? I know, slim chance, but I don't see Ubuntu going anywhere in the next few decades either. Debian has the same chance of disappearing and if they both do, then where are they going to go? Time for LMOE and LMAE as well?
                I've always took it to mean "In case Ubuntu ever goes so crazy that we're unable to make Mint out of it." more than Ubuntu ceasing to exist. Like if they switched to Ubuntu Core (immutable) as their future desktop over the current, mutable, version. I could see it easier to switch to Debian versus trying to un-immute Ubuntu.

                Un-immute? De-immute? Make mutable? I don't know the proper term for that.

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                • #18
                  <sarcasm> I think Debian should stop providing source code to prevent those freeloaders at Canonical from benefiting from their code... </sarcasm>

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by piorunz View Post

                    Linux Mint it too late to the party, MX Linux didn't wait and just did it, they are based purely on Debian, and are first on Distrowatch. Ubuntu and it's derivatives are slowly fading away.
                    MX Linux is nice, I like what they do with their MX Tools but it only offers XFCE and KDE, while I hate both of those and only use Mate. If you attempt to install Mate on either variant both DE's break and the whole distro is effectively useless.

                    On top of that, MX Linux does not play nice with Windows in a dual boot environment. Every time I have tried to set up a Windows/MX Linux dual boot, both OSes were left unbootable with a grub error.

                    Linux Mint in general, for me at least, is too unstable, it tends to break, whether it's the Ubuntu or the Debian variant.
                    Last edited by sophisticles; 14 September 2023, 10:29 PM.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by sophisticles View Post

                      MX Linux is nice, I like what they do with their MX Tools but it only offers XFCE and KDE, while I hate both of those and only use Mate. If you attempt to install Mate on either variant both DE's break and the whole distro is effectively useless.

                      On top of that, MX Linux does not play nice with Windows in a dual boot environment. Every time I have tried to set up a Windows/MX Linux dual boot, both OSes were left unbootable with a grub error.

                      Linux Mint in general, for me at least, is too unstable, it tends to break, whether it's the Ubuntu or the Debian variant.
                      What you use Windows dual boot for? Why not VM?
                      Also, if you are unhappy with MX or Mint stability, just use pure Debian. It works.

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