Fedora Workstation 40 Considering To Implement Privacy-Preserving Telemetry

[Quackdoc]

While everybody seems to be vibrating in place over the possibility of Fedora adding opt-out Telemetry, broadcasters are adding DRM to the new ATSC 3.0 standard which will prevent you from using server based solutions such as Plex, Emby, Kodi, JellyFin, etc. to record and watch time-shift recordings, or to use your Linux system to watch live TV through these solutions. I would recommend you watch this video which explains exactly what is going on.

dejavu, Im staring to remeber the old pirate decryption boxes...

[gbcox]

While everybody seems to be vibrating in place over the possibility of Fedora adding opt-out Telemetry, broadcasters are adding DRM to the new ATSC 3.0 standard which will prevent you from using server based solutions such as Plex, Emby, Kodi, JellyFin, etc. to record and watch time-shift recordings, or to use your Linux system to watch live TV through these solutions. I would recommend you watch this video which explains exactly what is going on.

[Anux]

If there were a theif running around stealing only small cents, most people won't notice or care. But if the theif asks them to get the money, most would say no.

That doesn't make stealing good or ok. It's still stealing and trying to get away with it.

[Quackdoc]

I think the reason people go with those systems is... they don't think about it since it's not shown.
If you show it and leave a choice, the users may opt out. Most will just click "next/ok" without reading.
If you don't show it, users don't think about it and just go with it. And won't think about it later either, cause they "don't care one bit".

I'd call BS on this make it a yes or no question as I said earlier, I believe the majority would click no, when setting up computers for folk I dont think any of them have ever said yes once when asked for it

[lateo]

given choice people care, if we had windows completely stripped of telemetry, people would willingly choose that, most people I personally know disable as much telemetry as they can. the reason people use android and windows despite the telemetry is that they are willing to put up with it for their subjectively better experience

I think the reason people go with those systems is... they don't think about it since it's not shown.
If you show it and leave a choice, the users may opt out. Most will just click "next/ok" without reading.
If you don't show it, users don't think about it and just go with it. And won't think about it later either, cause they "don't care one bit".

[Quackdoc]

I disagree.
IMHO, the fact that Android, IOS and Windows absolutely dominate the consumer markets proves that people do not care one bit.

I personally do care about what is done with my user-data, but I chose to opt in in Fedora's case and I'm glad I did it since the few issues I had with my various laptops were fixed within weeks.

given choice people care, if we had windows completely stripped of telemetry, people would willingly choose that, most people I personally know disable as much telemetry as they can. the reason people use android and windows despite the telemetry is that they are willing to put up with it for their subjectively better experience

[lateo]

the fact that they are making opt-out shows that they do care xD

I disagree.
IMHO, the fact that Android, IOS and Windows absolutely dominate the consumer markets proves that people do not care one bit.

I personally do care about what is done with my user-data, but I chose to opt in in Fedora's case and I'm glad I did it since the few issues I had with my various laptops were fixed within weeks.

[lateo]

make it opt-in not opt out and it will be fine

Or link this telemetry thing to a package we can choose not to select in kickstart installs.

[Quackdoc]

Idiot, those users aren't "deciding against opting in." They're saying few users would even care about the option. Fact is, most people don't even care about telemetry. So to get unbiased results, it has be opt-out. An opt-in model would be literally useless. Also, it's clearly displayed when you setup Fedora, so they're not forcing it on you.

make it a YES/NO question, make it painfully obvious, and a user will still choose no most of the time, because it's something most users actively do not want. if they don't care, and you were to say "Saying yes will make XXXX a better project" if they "didn't care" they would select yes. the reason why it doesn't work is explicitly because users DO care.

Idiot.

[cooperate]

The proposal is clear about it being opt-out:


Not gonna argue against limited telemetry, but when users - despite being transparently and kindly asked - decide against opting in, maybe you should just respect that as a given …

Idiot, those users aren't "deciding against opting in." They're saying few users would even care about the option. Fact is, most people don't even care about telemetry. So to get unbiased results, it has be opt-out. An opt-in model would be literally useless. Also, it's clearly displayed when you setup Fedora, so they're not forcing it on you.