Fedora Workstation 40 Considering To Implement Privacy-Preserving Telemetry

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  • Teggs
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2018
    • 439

    #41
    Originally posted by pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx View Post

    Might want to re-read what you quoted.

    However, we also want to ensure that the data we collect is meaningful, so gnome-initial-setup will default to displaying the toggle as enabled, even though the underlying setting will initially be disabled. (The underlying setting will not actually be enabled until the user finishes the privacy page, to ensure users have the opportunity to disable the setting before any data is uploaded.) This is to ensure the system is opt-out, not opt-in. This is essential because we know that opt-in metrics are not very useful. Few users would opt in, and these users would not be representative of Fedora users as a whole. We are not interested in opt-in metrics.

    To make this a little more confusing, metrics collection is actually separate from uploading. Collection is always initially enabled, while uploading is always initially disabled. The graphical toggle enables or disables both at the same time. That is, a newly-installed Fedora system will always collect metrics locally at first, but the collected metrics will be deleted and never submitted to Fedora if the user disables the metrics collection toggle on the privacy page. If the user leaves the toggle enabled, then the collected metrics may be submitted only after finishing the privacy page.


    For new installs, the toggle will default to on when you hit the privacy page. If you don't do anything to opt out, uploading gets enabled once they continue past the privacy page. Existing users who upgrade won't automatically upload telemetry. Local metric collection will still be on for upgrades, and if you visit the privacy page in settings but don't turn off the telemetry toggle, uploading will be enabled too.
    So, like Windows 11, Fedora will start sending telemetry during the installation process.

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    • Sonadow
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2009
      • 2280

      #42
      Originally posted by muncrief View Post
      However a convoluted Windows type GUI is one thing, and I understand some people actually like them, but adopting Microsoft botnet behavior is crossing the red line.
      So what are you doing here in a graphical webpage served by a graphical web browser on a GUI?

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      • muncrief
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2016
        • 866

        #43
        Originally posted by Sonadow View Post

        So what are you doing here in a graphical webpage served by a graphical web browser on a GUI?
        I love a well made, efficient, simple computer GUI Sonadow. That's why I use XFCE. I was talking about Windows 10 like clones such as KDE and Gnome.

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        • NeoMorpheus
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2022
          • 602

          #44
          5 pages of many outraged people yet not one mentioned one of the first company that not only force install telemetry software on their drivers, they dont even give the option to opt-in or out.

          yeap, your beloved nvidia. Which has forced this on their drivers for over 10 years.

          wheres the rage, as displayed against red hat/ibm for nvidia?

          Love double standards.

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          • alevan
            Junior Member
            • Apr 2019
            • 3

            #45
            Reading the comments, most of you don't even know what telemetry is. Y'all should be ashamed of yourself.

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            • Quackdoc
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2020
              • 5067

              #46
              Originally posted by NeoMorpheus View Post
              5 pages of many outraged people yet not one mentioned one of the first company that not only force install telemetry software on their drivers, they dont even give the option to opt-in or out.

              yeap, your beloved nvidia. Which has forced this on their drivers for over 10 years.

              wheres the rage, as displayed against red hat/ibm for nvidia?

              Love double standards.
              any evidence that the linux driver for nvidia has telemetry? and even if they didn't don't know if it somehow slipped your brain, but the majority of phoronix users are anti nvidia with a couple exceptions

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              • cynic
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2011
                • 1090

                #47
                Originally posted by avis View Post
                If you really cared about privacy you would not 1) use the Internet (your web browser, specially if you're under Linux, is easily identifiable even if you always use Private Mode) 2) use your mobile phone (IMEI, location services, cellular operators saving your location, messages and calls) 3) be signed up on these forums (an infinite trail of your messages).
                this is nonsense.

                privacy is not secrecy, and most important is not all-or-nothing.
                Privacy is the power to selectively decide what information you want share with who.

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                • cynic
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 1090

                  #48
                  Originally posted by NeoMorpheus View Post
                  5 pages of many outraged people yet not one mentioned one of the first company that not only force install telemetry software on their drivers, they dont even give the option to opt-in or out.

                  yeap, your beloved nvidia. Which has forced this on their drivers for over 10 years.

                  wheres the rage, as displayed against red hat/ibm for nvidia?

                  Love double standards.
                  Difference is than Nvidia has always been perceived as an evil company by the community, so bad behaviors (like telemetry) are well expected.
                  People are outraged when bad behaviours comes from entity they used to trust.

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                  • scottishduck
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 498

                    #49
                    Originally posted by NeoMorpheus View Post
                    5 pages of many outraged people yet not one mentioned one of the first company that not only force install telemetry software on their drivers, they dont even give the option to opt-in or out.

                    yeap, your beloved nvidia. Which has forced this on their drivers for over 10 years.

                    wheres the rage, as displayed against red hat/ibm for nvidia?

                    Love double standards.
                    There’s no telemetry in the Linux driver.

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                    • Beryesa
                      Phoronix Member
                      • Nov 2022
                      • 59

                      #50
                      Linux users be like:
                      Eww, defaults are awful.
                      I don't want the devs I trusted to run their binaries to know my preferences though​.

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