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Fedora 39 Planning For RPM 4.19 - Adds x86-64 v2/v3/v4 Feature Levels

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  • Noitatsidem
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    Originally posted by awesz View Post
    GNOME 2 is demonstrably the golden standard for GUIs, thanks to Sun's timeless usability study. If only it hadn't been burnt to the ground...
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    What's wrong with MATE?

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  • aviallon
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    Originally posted by brucethemoose View Post

    There is no heterogenous x86 architecture. The closest thing might be Xeon Phi if it can be socketed alongside a regular CPU, but I'm not sure that was ever possible.


    I dont think that exists in ARM land either. NEON is pretty cheap, and its not necessary with ARMv9.
    Well, actually Intel 12th gen and upwards, and AMD 7950X3D CPUs are heterogeneous.

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  • nuetzel
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    RedHat, then SuSE...

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  • Teggs
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    If I understand correctly that they are going to support all the levels simultaneously, that's actually a nice decision for users. Also it's a complete turnaround from a previous suggestion to just drop everyone whose hardware wouldn't support AVX2. This is the kind of inclusivity we need.

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  • ClosedSource
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    Originally posted by Anvil View Post

    it was, sadly the Gnome Devs decided to ruin it for something that they think looks smarter
    This is sad. The closest thing we have to something sane today is XFCE. but it lacks functionality like a native display manager, and integration with something like evolution-data-server.
    The Linux desktop today is full of half baked shiny things like Gnome and Wayland. The sad part of Gnome is that it is permanent work in progress. You get releases every 6 months that fix A, add B, and break C.
    One reason Windows is better is that you get one desktop every 5 or 6 years and it only gets bug fixes and polish during these 5 or 6 years.

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  • SilverBird775
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    Originally posted by virr View Post
    Support x86-64-v1 is totally a waste of developer resource in 2023. Then ArchBTW still need external repo to enable support v3. What the heck backward of progress rolling release.
    It absolutely cannot be a waste of time because that's exactly what everything else is based on, you know. Yet I think it could be wise to uplift the x86-64-v1 basis by cherry picking features from x86-64-v2. Hop not too crazy though, up to k8-sse3 minus 3DNow! and AMD specific prefetch instruction. That's is huge! This alone should cover like 95% of optimizations possible. Then, SSE2+SSE3 combo can efficiently emulate even the higher-end AVX extensions or whatever by replacing the unsupported intrinsics with macro block definitions emulating the missing instructions compile time. It's just a compilation thing, it does not ties your creative hands in any way. From that point you can develop a really modern application without compromising on any platform by targeting the higher end.
    What is left is the package management to actually support a feature levels.

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  • Anvil
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    Originally posted by cynic View Post
    Gnome on Redhat 8/9 is still good looking with today standard!
    it was, sadly the Gnome Devs decided to ruin it for something that they think looks smarter

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  • virr
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    Support x86-64-v1 is totally a waste of developer resource in 2023. Then ArchBTW still need external repo to enable support v3. What the heck backward of progress rolling release.

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  • awesz
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    Originally posted by cynic View Post
    Gnome on Redhat 8/9 is still good looking with today standard!
    GNOME 2 is demonstrably the golden standard for GUIs, thanks to Sun's timeless usability study. If only it hadn't been burnt to the ground...
    Last edited by awesz; 01 April 2023, 02:23 AM.

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  • SilverBird775
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    Originally posted by Nozo View Post
    Since x86-64-v1 is the new 32 bit, most likely Fedora will drop support for those early CPUs in the next release after that.
    No! that would be just way too wrong. There are plenty of very capable machines left to drop them out for little to no reason at all. AMD Athlon CPU's are reasonably secure, without stupid spying cores build-in, able to run modern games.

    The motherboards of the era have its finest PCI bus support with a tons of pricey and outright rare PCI devices left on hands.

    Want something to drop? Fine, the kernel and packages have lots of legacy to ditch off, there is no need to switch in frenzy drop mode.

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