Fedora 38 Beta Released With Many Exciting Updates

[RahulSundaram]

Silverblue user here. You can actually install RPM packages on it, whether it is from Fedora's repos, COPRs or side loaded. It's not the primary intended model, but it's supported.

Yes, I am aware. I was referring just to what GNOME Software supports. For Silverblue, that's just Flatpaks by default. While GNOME Software itself ships with a ostree plugin to handle regular updates, there are some issues to be solved there as well. GNOME 44 is expected to resolve a few of them.

[jacob]

Only if you don't care about installing RPM packages which I do. If you prefer the Flatpak model, you can be using Fedora Silverblue instead which doesn't use traditional RPM packages at all.

Silverblue user here. You can actually install RPM packages on it, whether it is from Fedora's repos, COPRs or side loaded. It's not the primary intended model, but it's supported.

[jacob]

It has kernel 6.2 too.

[RahulSundaram]

I understand there’s known issues and working going on to resolve them, but I have never had an out of the box Fedora install where gnome software works as intended, or in a performant manner

To be clear, I didn't claim that PackageKit is free of other issues. Just that performance of GNOME Software isn't one of them. The performance fix in GNOME Software itself I linked to in the latest RC version of it (which should be in the current Fedora beta). So feel free to test that and provide feedback if you are interested.

[Britoid]

Only if you don't care about installing RPM packages which I do. If you prefer the Flatpak model, you can be using Fedora Silverblue instead which doesn't use traditional RPM packages at all.

Half the time GNOME Software will show updates which have already been installed with the Packagekit RPM plugin.

I understand there’s known issues and working going on to resolve them, but I have never had an out of the box Fedora install where gnome software works as intended, or in a performant manner. Similar to the indicator problem (no support for them), can spend years discussing who’s fault it is, but ultimately they’re still issues with no resolution in sight.

[_r00t-]

I hate to throw facts into the mix (because that is so not the Phoronix forum standard), but F37 was delayed not because it was not ready, but due to a strong recommendation (by those that had access to the embargoed details) that an OpenSSL fix which had been initially categorized as critical should be included in the release. By the time the embargo was lifted, the categorization had been downgraded based on further analysis, but it was arguably the right decision by the Fedora project at the time.

Once it was delayed, a few additional fixes (and kernel uplift) were included, as they were already starting to roll out to previous Fedora releases.

Yes I forgot the reason why Fedora 37 release was delayed. Thank you for remind me this.

[RahulSundaram]

Whether or not packagekit is to blame doesn't change the fact that if you go ahead and delete the packagekit GNOME Software plugin from Fedora right now, your GNOME Software experience will be so much better.

Only if you don't care about installing RPM packages which I do. If you prefer the Flatpak model, you can be using Fedora Silverblue instead which doesn't use traditional RPM packages at all.

[CommunityMember]

Fedora 37 was about to get released with kernel 5.19 but it was delayed as usual so they were decided to release it with kernel 6.0 (Freeze Exceptions).

I hate to throw facts into the mix (because that is so not the Phoronix forum standard), but F37 was delayed not because it was not ready, but due to a strong recommendation (by those that had access to the embargoed details) that an OpenSSL fix which had been initially categorized as critical should be included in the release. By the time the embargo was lifted, the categorization had been downgraded based on further analysis, but it was arguably the right decision by the Fedora project at the time.

Once it was delayed, a few additional fixes (and kernel uplift) were included, as they were already starting to roll out to previous Fedora releases.

[cynic]

That's not how you're supposed to adjust your clocks for DST

we use FST - Fedora Saving Time.
The day before a release we put the calendar 7 days back

[Britoid]

GNOME Software performance is unrelated to PackageKit (to confirm this, try pkcon on the command line or run some basic profiling) and the performance issues are being addressed elsewhere.

Whether or not packagekit is to blame doesn't change the fact that if you go ahead and delete the packagekit GNOME Software plugin from Fedora right now, your GNOME Software experience will be so much better.